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Trump's Second Term

johnny karate said:
MAGA's habit of providing examples that look nothing like the Nazi salute that Musk did remain sad and embarrassing for them. You had the option to say nothing but instead chose to offer a very limp defense for a guy who did an obvious Nazi salute.

A Nazi salute isn't a still photograph of someone holding their arm out and it's not someone holding their arm out and waving it around. There are very specific mechanics to it. It looks exactly like this.

If you want to see what an actual good comparison looks like, I'm here to help.
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You could ask him which of the two is closer to the Nazis, but that would imply that he actually believes something. On that subject, I defer to Sartre:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
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Stacyhs said:
Seeing how my ancestors have been here since colonial times and my most recent ancestors were my great-grandparents who became citizens by renouncing their loyalty to the kaiser before my grandmother's birth, I don't qualify. I did look at the requirements.
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You don't need to renounce your US citizenship. Frankly, nor should you. Just start the Canadian (or Mexican or British or whatever) citizenship process and get yourself another. Or marry a foreigner! :)
 
Norman Alexander said:
You don't need to renounce your US citizenship. Frankly, nor should you. Just start the Canadian (or Mexican or British or whatever) citizenship process and get yourself another. Or marry a foreigner! :)
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What if I'm already married? Could I move to Utah first and then marry a foreigner? ;)
 
stanfr said:
What if I'm already married? Could I move to Utah first and then marry a foreigner? ;)
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Dunno! Probably depends on the country you want citizenship in. Does prior marriage give them automatic citizenship also when you get yours?

Look into getting Vanuatu citizenship via investment. For $130K, it's yours in about 3 months.
 
Public service announcement to MAGA: No, Trump will not pardon you for violence and crimes while wearing Trump hat. Those are all state law crimes. The Capitol is federal.
 
Tero said:
Public service announcement to MAGA: No, Trump will not pardon you for violence and crimes while wearing Trump hat. Those are all state law crimes. The Capitol is federal.
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The POTUS can pardon people convicted of crimes in the District of Columbia.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Dunno! Probably depends on the country you want citizenship in. Does prior marriage give them automatic citizenship also when you get yours?

Look into getting Vanuatu citizenship via investment. For $130K, it's yours in about 3 months.
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I took one look at the google images of Vanuatu and I'm sold! **** the U.S, im moving to Vanuatu! :giggle:
 
Trump and co. hope that most of their harebrained schemes will be blocked in Court, which will give them someone to accuse of being The Deep State and do nothing.
 
stanfr said:
I took one look at the google images of Vanuatu and I'm sold! **** the U.S, im moving to Vanuatu! :giggle:
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It's beautiful, so I'm told. Except when it has earthquakes and cyclones. The citizenship via investment does not seem to require you to be a resident though. But it does give you a bolt-hole when the oncoming Fascist Hegemony arrives.
 
Musk is now whatabouting with pictures of Obama, Hillary, Harris, etc doing "Nazi salutes" as if that makes what he did OK.

When you talk like a Nazi, you shouldn't be surprised people think you're gesturing like a Nazi.
 
Thia is a distraction, but if it sows the seed in some people's minds that Musk is actually that racist as his Company, then it's a net positive.
 
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johnny karate said:
MAGA's habit of providing examples that look nothing like the Nazi salute that Musk did remain sad and embarrassing for them. You had the option to say nothing but instead chose to offer a very limp defense for a guy who did an obvious Nazi salute.

A Nazi salute isn't a still photograph of someone holding their arm out and it's not someone holding their arm out and waving it around. There are very specific mechanics to it. It looks exactly like this.

If you want to see what an actual good comparison looks like, I'm here to help.
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I have no sympathy for Musk, nor for MAGA politics. Until your post i haven't seen what Musk did. Having watched your helpful clip of Musk and some guy alongside it is clear Musk was not doing a Nazi salute. Nazi salutes are done with the arm extended straight out in front of the body. Musk had his arm out to the side. This 'Musk does Nazi salute' claim is false news, disinformation, black propaganda.. Musk has done enough stupid and unpleasant things that it is unnecessary to lie and claim he did things he did not.
 
It's not that the other evil things did stick.
And it's not like he doesn't have the means to defend himself.

Billionaires get to eat our ◊◊◊◊ all day long, that's the price for taking all our money and not paying their share of taxes.
And Musk has decided to go into politics, so he gets twice the amount, deservedly so.

EEOC Sues Tesla for Racial Harassment and Retaliation

FREMONT, Calif.
www.eeoc.gov www.eeoc.gov
 
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Planigale said:
I have no sympathy for Musk, nor for MAGA politics. Until your post i haven't seen what Musk did. Having watched your helpful clip of Musk and some guy alongside it is clear Musk was not doing a Nazi salute.
Nazi salutes are done with the arm extended straight out in front of the body. Musk had his arm out to the side. This 'Musk does Nazi salute' claim is false news, disinformation, black propaganda.. Musk has done enough stupid and unpleasant things that it is unnecessary to lie and claim he did things he did not.
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The “not technically proficient salute” excuse is a new one. I’ll give you that.

You can find pictures of Adolf himself doing salutes out to the side and all kinds of other people as well.
 
Planigale said:
I have no sympathy for Musk, nor for MAGA politics. Until your post i haven't seen what Musk did. Having watched your helpful clip of Musk and some guy alongside it is clear Musk was not doing a Nazi salute. Nazi salutes are done with the arm extended straight out in front of the body. Musk had his arm out to the side. This 'Musk does Nazi salute' claim is false news, disinformation, black propaganda.. Musk has done enough stupid and unpleasant things that it is unnecessary to lie and claim he did things he did not.
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Then someone should tell this guy that he’s doing it wrong.
 
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