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Trump's Second Term

Remember when we were assured that what Trump says he'll do and what he'll actually do are not necessarily the same thing?

I really am frightened for this country even more after days one and two.
Watching our resident Trumpers' comments only reinforces that fear.
Honestly, if I had dual citizenship in Europe or Canada, my ass would be out of here.
 
Remember when we were assured that what Trump says he'll do and what he'll actually do are not necessarily the same thing?

I really am frightened for this country even more after days one and two.
Watching our resident Trumpers' comments only reinforces that fear.
Honestly, if I had dual citizenship in Europe or Canada, my ass would be out of here.
Why not Mexico or Sri Lanka? It's always Canada or Europe.
 
Remember when we were assured that what Trump says he'll do and what he'll actually do are not necessarily the same thing?

I really am frightened for this country even more after days one and two.
Watching our resident Trumpers' comments only reinforces that fear.
Honestly, if I had dual citizenship in Europe or Canada, my ass would be out of here.
Apply.
 
I agree there.
I think Musk has never really grown up ..he has the emotions and mantality of a 16 year old.
Which puts him 4-6 years ahead of Trump.

ETA: Ninja'd, of course. But hey, I finally got to the end of the thread. Of course I'll be three or four pages behind next login.
 
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Indeed. And being a computer guy, I know a lot of people like that. But his social awkwardness is also joined by quite an ego. And to be fair, I guess it's not easy being humble while being this rich. Still it's explosive combination.
He's also sincerely a carelessly testing what he can get away with, like a much younger kids .. can I buy social network ? Sure. Can I misuse it ? Haha ! Wait, I will support Trump openly .. ROFL. And there's no mom around to yell "that's enough" ..
I am beginning to think Musk is just on a massive Troll. He might have given the salute just to watch the ensuing controversy.
That is why, btw, I think he is going to walk out on DOGE. He is going to get bored with it.
 
Possibly? I was in the process of typing a post that basically said "no ◊◊◊◊ them they chose this", but now that we increasingly look at them as a cult, I don't know, what do sect members do when their cult turns on them? Do they get disillusioned or do they double down to regain the good favour of their Leader? Maybe reaching out to them with a gentle 'see, they don't really care about you, come to the light side' works better than ridicule and Schadenfreude? That requires a level of patience and compassion I don't have with them right now, but maybe further down the road.

I'd still love for Twitter to change their username, though.
Some sect members get disillusioned, some double down. It very much depends on the kind of disillusion, which depends on the facts and explanations they've heard. This is where the Democrats went wrong. Instead of showing that immigrants aren't the enemies of ordinary people, that the billionaires are taking advantage of both the immigrants and born-and-bred Americans, they agreed with the racists that immigration is the problem that needs to be solved, not the exploitation of workers - of all races.

It's the reason why it seems to be easier for Bernie Sanders' message to get through to (some of) them than calling them retarded does. It isn't easy for people to come to terms with the fact that they have been misled, but the 'MAGA granny' in the BBC article managed to do so. And it's probably easier if people have been introduced to the facts instead of merely being told that they are selfish morons.
We have to make the same distinction when we are dealing with these people as we should be making when we are dealing with other cults, i.e. with superstition. There's a big difference between the Sylvia Brownes and their customers. There's a big difference between the Jim Joneses and their followers.

We can make fun of the poor uneducated QAnon believers 'doing their own research' and 'connecting the dots'. In many ways, they are childish and immature. It is no wonder that Trump loves the uneducated. But in this respect, they are victims rather than perpetrators - unlike Trump, Musk, Ramaswamy, RFK Jr., and all the other opportunists who notice that Trump is good at getting followers and join his crusade for this reason.

In December, we saw that followers of Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro lost many followers after the CEO shooting. It is not as if they have no awareness whatsoever of the fact that they are being taken advantage of by the owners of insurance companies and other billionaires or multi-millionaires, but the Democrats (in particular the DNC establishment) would never point that out to them. Luigi Mangione did. Bernie Sanders does.

Instead, the Democrats sided with the Republicans and MAGA and presented themselves as better at handling the immigrants (the perfect scapegoat) than the Republicans. Why didn't Harris point this out? Why didn't Biden (until the very end - too little, too late)? Why didn't Clinton in 2016?

Immigrants ("They're eating the dogs!"), transsexuals (“Can you imagine you’re a parent and your son leaves the house and you say, ‘Jimmy, I love you so much, go have a good day in school,’ and your son comes back with a brutal operation?"), i.e. false and in most respects imaginary scapegoats from the master of misdirection are presented to people who have noticed that they themselves don't benefit from the American Dream and are looking for people to blame.

It's not at all difficult to see who the actual culprits are, but ordinary people are so eager to find somebody to blame for their misery that they jump on the bandwagon when guys like Trump present them with scapegoats that have nothing whatsoever to do with why their lives suck.
The 'MAGA granny', Pamela Hemphill, is beginning to understand this. We should help the others 'connect the dots' the same way she did.
 
I don't like Musk very much, but I really think the Nazi Salute was unintentional.
I am begging you to spend 5 seconds thinking about what you typed here.

Look, if he had made a rather unfortunate typographical error while spelling the country of Niger, I'd understand (though I'd still laugh at him). This is something entirely different. What's next? Will his Hitler mustache be labelled a "facial hair mishap?" Shall his swastika armband be deemed a "fashion faux pas?"

But whatever happens, just remember that his political beliefs are "complicated."
 
Remember when we were assured that what Trump says he'll do and what he'll actually do are not necessarily the same thing?

I really am frightened for this country even more after days one and two.
Watching our resident Trumpers' comments only reinforces that fear.
Honestly, if I had dual citizenship in Europe or Canada, my ass would be out of here.

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After the 2024 United States Presidential election concluded, one of the top-searched questions on Google was "how do I move to Denmark?"
Even before the election, interest in moving abroad if either candidate won the election was at a record high. I love that people are interested in moving abroad. I think everyone should live abroad for a period of their life, but not for the wrong reasons.
In this video, I explain:
✅ how and why I moved to Denmark in 2017
✅ how you can move to Denmark
✅ common misconceptions about moving to Denmark
 
I am begging you to spend 5 seconds thinking about what you typed here.

Look, if he had made a rather unfortunate typographical error while spelling the country of Niger, I'd understand (though I'd still laugh at him). This is something entirely different. What's next? Will his Hitler mustache be labelled a "facial hair mishap?" Shall his swastika armband be deemed a "fashion faux pas?"

But whatever happens, just remember that his political beliefs are "complicated."
 
You appear to have missed this the first time I posted it:

I just want to remind everyone that the biggest mistake anyone can make in response to this nonsense is to act like these people actually believe what they're saying.

They're lying. They know they're lying. They're engaging in a performance in an attempt to trick you into playing your role. They're just trolls in suits. Act accordingly.

I think your dance is ridiculous, but you seem to be having fun.
 

MAGA's habit of providing examples that look nothing like the Nazi salute that Musk did remain sad and embarrassing for them. You had the option to say nothing but instead chose to offer a very limp defense for a guy who did an obvious Nazi salute.

A Nazi salute isn't a still photograph of someone holding their arm out and it's not someone holding their arm out and waving it around. There are very specific mechanics to it. It looks exactly like this.

If you want to see what an actual good comparison looks like, I'm here to help.
 
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