Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
Overall its aims and ambitions were fine but the final bill is a crap piece of legislation.
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Okay.
Darat said:
But to go back to the point you keep ignoring, one that is from your own posts of content you think should be considered "..."While no direct causal link has been established....."...."
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Why do you think more than 50 Frenchmen did what they did to Gisele Pelicot?
 
Darat said:
Overall its aims and ambitions were fine but the final bill is a crap piece of legislation.
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Why isn't this yet another example of the de facto prioritizing of adult sexual freedom over and above the concerns of keeping children safe?

De Souza says: It should be an opportunity to force tech companies to face up to their responsibilities...

User-generated porn sites only exist when there is high enough demand. One could argue that such sites are effectively 'built' by the consumers. To spell it out, society is furnishing children with such content (whatever protests to the contrary might suggest otherwise) and those with the power to legislate to make sure that does not happen are crumbling under that demand.
 
Poem said:
Okay.

Why do you think more than 50 Frenchmen did what they did to Gisele Pelicot?
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I don't know (and my opinion is that there will be different "reasons" for different rapists, personally I would view such "reasons" as excuses not reasons) - what I do know, thanks to you - is that "...no direct causal link has been established....." with porn to explain such behaviours.
 
Poem said:
Why isn't this yet another example of the de facto prioritizing of adult sexual freedom over and above the concerns of keeping children safe?

De Souza says: It should be an opportunity to force tech companies to face up to their responsibilities...

User-generated porn sites only exist when there is high enough demand. One could argue that such sites are effectively 'built' by the consumers. To spell it out, society is furnishing children with such content (whatever protests to the contrary might suggest otherwise) and those with the power to legislate to make sure that does not happen are crumbling under that demand.
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Another reason is that technology is complex and most of our MPs will not have the background and knowledge to craft a good bill.

Are you moving on from Pornhub to the likes Justforfans etc? If so I would say that such sites already have strong protections in place to prevent children accessing them.
 
Darat said:
Another reason is that technology is complex and most of our MPs will not have the background and knowledge to craft a good bill.
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That would be a monumental scandal if true.
Darat said:
Are you moving on from Pornhub to the likes Justforfans etc? If so I would say that such sites already have strong protections in place to prevent children accessing them.
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No - Pornhub is user-generated.
 
Darat said:
Another reason is that technology is complex and most of our MPs will not have the background and knowledge to craft a good bill.
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Which essential says that the effort and drive expended in making sure porn is satisfying societal demand exceeds that expended in restricting it.

An astonishing cultural exposé.
 
Poem said:
Which essential says that the effort and drive expended in making sure porn is satisfying societal demand exceeds that expended in restricting it.

An astonishing cultural exposé.
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.....What? No, that's the whole internet. Porn is not driving the whole internet. And legislators have ALWAYS lagged behind tech in understanding.
 
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Lithrael said:
You could make the argument that it ought to be the standard for porn sites, to have more than a 'yes I am over 18' clickthrough gate, and I wouldn't object to a kid-captcha to weed out anyone who can't google 90s politics trivia or something. But I'm a hard no on KOSA style ID verification. Scope too big. No thanks.
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In what way is the scope too big? Hasn't stopped verification for UK gambling sites.
 
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Lithrael said:
.....What? No, that's the whole internet. Porn is not driving the whole internet. And legislators have ALWAYS lagged behind tech in understanding.
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The dirty secret that drives new technology: it's porn.​

"Camcorder and VHS video machines were pioneered by porn barons anxious to find a cheap way to mass market blue movies. Take-up of DVD players was driven by pornographers and their customers because the technology enabled users to skip to and from their favourite scenes."
 
That Guardian article just about sums up why easy access porn has won the battle...and why efforts such as the UK's 2023 Online Safety Act are going to fail. Nobody wants to admit it, but the drive for porn sex has exceeded the safeguarding of kids.
 
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Poem said:

The dirty secret that drives new technology: it's porn.​

"Camcorder and VHS video machines were pioneered by porn barons anxious to find a cheap way to mass market blue movies. Take-up of DVD players was driven by pornographers and their customers because the technology enabled users to skip to and from their favourite scenes."
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Don't forget film photography, lithography, movable type, oil painting, mosaic tiles, stone sculpture, fired clay, and figurines carved out of bone with flint tools.

If the other planets of the Solar System had half-naked native women like in the old pulp SF stories, we'd have had colonies on Mars thirty years ago.

Secret? To whom?
 
Myriad said:
Don't forget film photography, lithography, movable type, oil painting, mosaic tiles, stone sculpture, fired clay, and figurines carved out of bone with flint tools.

If the other planets of the Solar System had half-naked native women like in the old pulp SF stories, we'd have had colonies on Mars thirty years ago.

Secret? To whom?
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Right - it's not a real secret....the Guardian is merely referencing a stereotype.
 
"https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/business/pornhub-videos-removed/index.html

So, a very different picture from the complacent tolerance of violent and/or child porn that you want us to believe. Annoying, isn't it, when the facts get in the way of your self-righteous ranting?"

If the poster had been following the thread then they would know about Sound Investigation's 2023 exposé of Pornhub. They would also know that Pornhub is facing multiple lawsuits and class actions and that the same VPs and executives that were there before the Kristof article are still there now (according to Laila Mickelwait of Traffickinghub).
 
"Again, your sour and puritanical world view is preventing you from posting the full picture. I gues I'll have to do it myself:"
Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition - Wikipedia
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The poster clearly considers Canada's proscription of porn depicting minors (ie adult actors looking like minors) as puritanical. The UK also bans such depictions and with good reason - there is ample evidence (posted on this thread) that this can lead some down an escalatory porn rabbit hole.

The notion that this is about a puritanical individual is clearly not borne out by the facts.
 
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Poem said:
"Again, your sour and puritanical world view is preventing you from posting the full picture. I gues I'll have to do it myself:"

The poster clearly considers Canada's proscription of porn depicting minors (ie adult actors looking like minors) as puritanical. The UK also bans such depictions and with good reason - there is ample evidence (posted on this thread) that this can lead some down an escalatory porn rabbit hole.

The notion that this is about a puritanical individual is clearly not borne out by the facts.
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Again utterly disgusting.
 
Darat said:
"While no direct causal link has been established....."
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The full quote is:

"While no direct causal link has been established, there is substantial evidence of an association between the use of pornography and harmful sexual attitudes and behaviours towards women. According to government research before the Covid-19 pandemic: "There is evidence that use of pornography is associated with greater likelihood of desiring or engaging in sexual acts witnessed in porn, and a greater likelihood of believing women want to engage in these specific acts."

Clearly most folk are willing to take the risk.

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How extreme porn has become a gateway drug into child abuse​

It is the increasingly extreme themes available on mainstream porn sites that he (Michael Sheath - child abuse expert of the Lucy Faithful Foundation) thinks legitimise further deviant and criminal behaviour.

“Anything you want to find you can Google. Typically these men I work with will have been watching porn that is freely available on the internet at eight, nine, 10 years old. This isn’t looking at naked ladies, it’s group sex, it’s rape-themed, incest-themed. And that’s at an age when I still believed in Father Christmas.”
 
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Poem said:
That Guardian article just about sums up why easy access porn has won the battle...and why efforts such as the UK's 2023 Online Safety Act are going to fail. Nobody wants to admit it, but the drive for porn sex has exceeded the safeguarding of kids.
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I clicked over to that article assuming it was going to discuss the difficulties of implementing ID checks vs privacy vs surveillance, but it's just a guy asserting a bunch of stuff about the social history of porn consumption and making a few leaps off of the point that people prefer to keep their pornography consumption private and anonymous.
 
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