Ok: if they get ye Olde slice and dice surgeries, are they legit or still what they were born as?
A male who has had a penectomy and orchiectomy is still a male. Even if they remove ALL the plumbing, including vas deferens, seminal vesicles, etc. they're still male. Nothing at all can prompt that male to develop a female reproductive system
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I ask because it would clarify if the issue was less about identification and more about packing pipe.
I used to be a lot more willing to accommodate based on a lack of plumbing... but I've backed away from that view. The vast majority of males who undergo complete sex-mimicking surgeries
still look male. They still have a male physique, male height and hand/foot size, male jaw line and brow ridges, male shoulder structure, male hips. If they're exceptionally small-statured and spend a LOT of time depilating and spackling on the make-up, they may be able to pass relatively well... but the number who do so is extremely small.
But at the end of the day, what we've seen over and over is that males who've leaned all the way in still retain male behavioral patterns. Even if you remove their body's ability to create testosterone and pump them full of exogenous estrogen... they still commit violent crimes at the same rate as non-altered males.
And frankly, I'm not inclined to try to check for frank & beans when 99% of the time, they're obviously males.
ETA: A really, really, really convincingly made plastic apple still can't be turned into a pie. No matter how convincingly they mimic a female, they're still male.
Same goes in the other direction by the way. "Elliot" Page really doesn't pass as a male, no matter how much they wish to flee being female.
