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Cont: Electric Vehicles II

Teslas are a luxury car over here. I live in a very affluent area and Teslas are very common, when I go to visit my mother - who lives in a less affluent area but certainly not a poor area and you don't see many at all.
 
I see a marked decrease in the big power gas cars like the Mustang and Charger, a marked increase in new top line not-Tesla EV cars on the road. All the luxury options in what appear to be a cookie cutter Chinese model. Home changing is very important here as charging stations aren't appearing anywhere.

As India and China pull away from mototaxis and the cargo versions México seems to be bringing more in for the po'boy market that needs a car but smog tests took out the cheap options. A few are EV types but they are pretty poor long term. Gasoline still rules the low end market.
 
Darat said:
Teslas are a luxury car over here. I live in a very affluent area and Teslas are very common, when I go to visit my mother - who lives in a less affluent area but certainly not a poor area and you don't see many at all.
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They are here too.
 
I used to see a lot of Teslas around here but not recently; it's more Merc EQ*s, a few big Skodas like mine, and ID4s and 5s. I like the look of the Merc EQB and might look at that for my next car.
 
Agatha said:
I used to see a lot of Teslas around here but not recently; it's more Merc EQ*s, a few big Skodas like mine, and ID4s and 5s. I like the look of the Merc EQB and might look at that for my next car.
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The Mercs here cost 3 times more than I paid for my 40 acre property!!!!
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The cheapest secondhand one I found was a eyewatering $70k Au for a 2020 model!!!
You could literally buy two new MG4's for the same price, or a brand new Shark hybrid (an actual 4wd hybrid ute) and have enough left over for a holiday in the UK from Australia...
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As for the price of a new one...
The CHEAPEST was a hair under $180k!!!!
Double :jaw-dropp
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For the price, you could buy120 acres of bushland here, or you could buy enough MG4's that you could drive a different one to work every day of the week!!!!
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(the cheapest Tesla starts at $54k for the base package RWD Model 3... so effectively almost double the price of a MG4)
 
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Prices for EV models Washington State
The average price for a new EV is around $55,353. Cadillac OPTIQ Luxury 2: MSRP of $55,095 with a range of 300 miles
Audi e-tron GT Prestige: MSRP of $114,500 with a range of 249 miles
Hyundai IONIQ 5 SEL AWD: MSRP of $53,000 with a range of 260 miles
Toyota bZ4X Limited FWD: MSRP of $47,180 with a range of 236 miles
Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD: MSRP of $73,900 with a range of 270 miles
Genesis GV60 Performance AWD: MSRP of $69,900 with a range of 235 miles
Genesis GV60 Advanced AWD: MSRP of $60,900 with a range of 248 miles
Tesla Y MSRP of $42,610 with a range of 330 miles
There are substantial government rebates.
 
acbytesla said:
Prices for EV models Washington State
The average price for a new EV is around $55,353. Cadillac OPTIQ Luxury 2: MSRP of $55,095 with a range of 300 miles
Audi e-tron GT Prestige: MSRP of $114,500 with a range of 249 miles
Hyundai IONIQ 5 SEL AWD: MSRP of $53,000 with a range of 260 miles
Toyota bZ4X Limited FWD: MSRP of $47,180 with a range of 236 miles
Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD: MSRP of $73,900 with a range of 270 miles
Genesis GV60 Performance AWD: MSRP of $69,900 with a range of 235 miles
Genesis GV60 Advanced AWD: MSRP of $60,900 with a range of 248 miles
Tesla Y MSRP of $42,610 with a range of 330 miles
There are substantial government rebates.
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No BYD models? Now the biggest manufacturer of EV's in the world. Unless they are sold under a different brand name?
 
Teslas are pretty marmite. If you don't want one for whatever reason, there are plenty decent options.

The MG4 is great value for money and I love mine to bits, but it's not available in America. Maybe BYD isn't either.
 
acbytesla said:
My problem is that I refuse to buy a Tesla even though it makes the most sense. I think Musk is one of the most dangerous people on earth. I see him as a threat to humanity.
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More proof that humans, even the best of us, are more ruled by emotion than logic.

Musk is dangerous for sure, but not as dangerous as apathy in the face of an existential threat (global warming). Right now we need people who aren't afraid to be disruptive. If only 'the left' hadn't pushed him away for emotional reasons we could have harnessed that power. Your attitude isn't helping.
 
Rolfe said:
Teslas are pretty marmite. If you don't want one for whatever reason, there are plenty decent options.

The MG4 is great value for money and I love mine to bits, but it's not available in America. Maybe BYD isn't either.
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Marmite? I have never heard that word.
I don't think either BYD or the MG is available here.

In theory the Tesla Model Y is the cheapest EV selling in the US today. I say in theory because options etc jack the price up. My experience with car shopping is you can never get the base model of any vehicle. Companies say they are available, but never actually are. There are also Federal and Washington State government rebates that could subtract as much as $16,500 from the price. If you qualify for them.
 
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acbytesla said:
Prices for EV models Washington State
The average price for a new EV is around $55,353. Cadillac OPTIQ Luxury 2: MSRP of $55,095 with a range of 300 miles
Audi e-tron GT Prestige: MSRP of $114,500 with a range of 249 miles
Hyundai IONIQ 5 SEL AWD: MSRP of $53,000 with a range of 260 miles
Toyota bZ4X Limited FWD: MSRP of $47,180 with a range of 236 miles
Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD: MSRP of $73,900 with a range of 270 miles
Genesis GV60 Performance AWD: MSRP of $69,900 with a range of 235 miles
Genesis GV60 Advanced AWD: MSRP of $60,900 with a range of 248 miles
Tesla Y MSRP of $42,610 with a range of 330 miles
There are substantial government rebates.
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Interesting. Tesla Model Y seems to be the clear winner. I wouldn't touch any of the others on your list.

Some prices in New Zealand (US$ at exchange rate of 0.56, including 15% GST, no rebates!):-
GWM Ora 192 miles $17,354 (-11.4%)
KGM Torres EVX 287 miles $25,194 (-25%)
Toyota bZ4X Pure 274 miles $32,474 (-20%)
Tesla Model Y 282 miles $36,904
Kia EV9 GT-Line 314 miles $55,994
Hyundai IONIQ 5 77 Limited 282 miles $66,074
Audi e-tron GT quattro 305 miles $116,250

Discounts of up to 25% in the last 2 months reflect the poor market here since the new National government started putting the boot into EVs as promised. Good news for anyone wanting to buy an EV in New Zealand right now - take advantage of stupid public sentiment! The GWM Ora is a bargain. I don't know much about the KGM Torres EVX, but it looks like a bargain too. Unfortunately all the half-price Nissan Leafs have now gone.
 
acbytesla said:
Marmite? I have never heard that word.
I don't think either BYD or the MG is available here.

In theory the Tesla Model Y is the cheapest EV selling in the US today. I say in theory because options etc jack the price up. My experience with car shopping is you can never get the base model of any vehicle. Companies say they are available, but never actually are. There are also Federal and Washington State government rebates that could subtract as much as $17,500 from the price. If you qualify for them.
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Marmite is a sort of meat extract that people, legendarily, either love or hate.

My base model MG4 cost £26,950 new in April 2023. You can get them cheaper now. No way could I possibly have afforded a Model Y.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Interesting. Tesla Model Y seems to be the clear winner. I wouldn't touch any of the others on your list.

Some prices in New Zealand (US$ at exchange rate of 0.56, including 15% GST, no rebates!):-
GWM Ora 192 miles $17,354 (-11.4%)
KGM Torres EVX 287 miles $25,194 (-25%)
Toyota bZ4X Pure 274 miles $32,474 (-20%)
Tesla Model Y 282 miles $36,904
Kia EV9 GT-Line 314 miles $55,994
Hyundai IONIQ 5 77 Limited 282 miles $66,074
Audi e-tron GT quattro 305 miles $116,250

Discounts of up to 25% in the last 2 months reflect the poor market here since the new National government started putting the boot into EVs as promised. Good news for anyone wanting to buy an EV in New Zealand right now - take advantage of stupid public sentiment! The GWM Ora is a bargain. I don't know much about the KGM Torres EVX, but it looks like a bargain too. Unfortunately all the half-price Nissan Leafs have now gone.
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I can't get myself to buy a Tesla. But when I read the following I found it tempting.
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Model Y price is cheapest ever at $23,550 with new WA state rebate as Tesla adds Quicksilver color option

The Washington State Department of Commerce has introduced a new program for instant EV purchase or lease rebates that can amount to a $9,000 discount for 3-year leases. For shorter leases or direct purchases, the rebate is $5,000, and qualifying buyers also don't have to pay the state tax.
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But that jpg subtracts the Washington State sales tax instead of adding it. So the price would actually be $28,667 not $23,550 if you qualify for both rebates in full. But an EV makes a lot of sense because I could do probably 70 to 80% of my driving with zero fuel costs. I have surplus electricity 6 months of the year. And am tempted to add 10KW of more solar.
 
Rolfe said:
Marmite is a sort of meat extract that people, legendarily, either love or hate.

My base model MG4 cost £26,950 new in April 2023. You can get them cheaper now. No way could I possibly have afforded a Model Y.
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Sounds kind of like SPAM. I hope it's a good car. When I owned an MG it was manufactured in the UK and obviously with a gas engine.
 
BYD 'WERE' in the US (mostly concentrating on their heavy vehicles ie buses/trucks at the time), but the US is extremely EV unfriendly (despite claims to the contrary) and doubly so for Chinese companies, so when BYD started expanding outside of China, they simply ignored the US market altogether for their cars... understandably so..

(the 100th BYD EV semi sold in the US... back in 2020)
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Even under Biden, there was a strong anti-Chinese sentiment and trade policies, and under trump previously (and undoubtedly will again) the anti Chinese rhetoric (and tactics) were extreme, turned up to 11...

And so BYD at the time said they had little to no interest in what to them was a relatively small market, that would cause them no end of grief with protectionist policies and the like (and that was under Biden!!!)

So you are unlikely to see BYD, MG or any other Chinese EV brand in the US in the next decade or two lol, so you guys will be stuck with the overpriced US made Teslas...

Funnily enough- BYD supply the battery packs for the Model 3's made in Europe and China- so even if you are buying a 'Tesla'- its being powered by BYD lol

BYD has been building BEV cars since 2009 with the release of the E6 and trucks and buses since 2012 and produce more than Tesla sells worldwide, so they aren't exactly a small or 'new' company, despite their lack of recognition in the west, and their annual battery production is higher in GWH a year produced than Teslas as well :-O

E6
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Having eaten both Vegemite and Marmite, Vegemite is definitely the better of the two...
If you have never tried it, a Vegemite and cheese toastie is 'drools'
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Yum....
 
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