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Cont: UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

Can you rule out it was a plane moving directly toward or away from you (so appearing still), then veering a little to one side (so appearing to move slowly), then going toward/away from you again?
I do not think it behaved like a plane. I saw it for something over ten minutes very slowly moving and stopping. It moved in a straight line across the sky in front of my field of view. Not directly overhead. The only plane I think it could have been is a high altitude U2 spy plane, but it still did not behave like a plane.
 
I do not think it behaved like a plane. I saw it for something over ten minutes very slowly moving and stopping. It moved in a straight line across the sky in front of my field of view. Not directly overhead. The only plane I think it could have been is a high altitude U2 spy plane, but it still did not behave like a plane.
So, a high flying plane, or perhaps bird, which was sometimes moving across your field of view and sometimes directly towards or away from you.
 
I watched all the Pentagon videos when they were first released. I remain unimpressed.

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos
They're simply not impressive. They're the customary indistinct images you get from long-range infrared observation. This is why they need charlatans like George Knapp to hype them up.

"But the Pentagon confirmed them!" is the standard fringe-claimant hairsplit. The footage was first leaked, leading people to speculate about its origin. The Pentagon later merely confirmed that the video was from U.S. military sources, but not anything else. Fringe claimants commonly borrow such authentications as endorsements or support for the various theories and claims they paste onto the footage afterwards.
 
No I ain't ! The memory is clear to me, as it made an impression on me because it was so inexplicable. It looked like another star until I saw it move in relation to the surrounding stars. It took somewhere between ten and twenty minutes to go out of sight as it was moving very slowly and it stopped moving for up to two minutes at a time.
By the way, I don't think there were any satellites in space in the first days of sputnik one, which is when I saw it.
Memory doesn't work that way.
 
To establish whether or not there is a mundane explanation for any UFO sighting requires both data and rational thinking. For Symington's we don't have much of either. A quick Google tells me that the Sun sets at 6:35 p.m. on March 13 in Phoenix. So for a start we know that this sighting was not in bright daylight. If multiple people saw it, then it is possible to get some idea of its height by triangulation. Was this done? Where is there an analysis?
 
I do not think it behaved like a plane. I saw it for something over ten minutes very slowly moving and stopping. It moved in a straight line across the sky in front of my field of view. Not directly overhead. The only plane I think it could have been is a high altitude U2 spy plane, but it still did not behave like a plane.
All I can say is your description sounds familiar to me, I've seen it numerous times. But then I live in the most flown over state in the union...

Anybody?
Pennsylvania
 
Are you a 'trained observer'? If not, on what grounds are you dismissing the idea that what you saw was an insect? Remember, misjudgement of size and distance is at the heart of many so-called UFO sightings.


How would you train to recognise alien spaceships?
 
So governators is 'spectacble people now. Good godalmighty damn! Somebody needs to read up on US of A history a bit. Or hell, just take a look around the state of some of them states today.

It'd be good trainin' for a train observer. Or UFOhOhos. Stuff like that.
 
I saw a UFO this morning!

It was glinting and flashing and performing manouvres above the road, that could not be matched by any earthly aircraft!!!

(It was a partially deflated transparent party balloon, with reflective gold stars on the outside, and a few thin reflective strips hanging below it.)

It was quite interesting as I walked towards it, I could see the glints from approximately 300 metres away.

(This is the point where UFO ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ add all the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ about being scanned and taken aboard the alien mother ship for 'probing'.)
 
It should be obvious that highly respected people like governors and pilots and policemen are likely reliable sources.
Ordinary people may be easily mistaken.
Symington said of the claim he saw flares, that he was never satisfied with this silly explanation.
What makes them any more reliable than you or I?

What special training and experience in identifying alien spaceships do they have?
 
Between 8.00 and 8.30 on the evening of March 13th 1997 during my second term as governor of Arizona, I witnessed something that defied logic and challenged my reality: a massive delta-shaped craft silently navigating over the Squaw Peak in the Phoenix mountain preserve. A solid structure rather than an apparition, it was dramatically large, with a distinctive leading edge embedded with lights as it traveled the Arizona skies. I still don't know what it was. As a pilot and a former air force officer, I can say with certainty that this craft did not resemble any man- made object I had ever seen.

https://www.fifesymington.com/former-arizona-governor-now-admits-seeing-ufo/

Symington said of the claim he saw flares, that he was never satisfied with this silly explanation.


Odd that he would say that, because even though he obviously did NOT see the flares, no one should have claimed that he did.

Wikipedia's article on the Phoenix Lights noted that "The second incident, described as "a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky, or slowly falling" began at approximately 10:00 pm, and was due to a flare drop exercise by different A-10 jets...".

That is around 90 minutes AFTER Symington's reported experience, so there would be no reason to link the two. Someone in the chain of communicating the comment, that I pasted in Scorpion's 2nd quoted statement, is either very short on logical deduction skills, or purposely being misleading.
 
The Phoenix incident is completely explained by objects we know were in the sky at the time. The observers who saw them described them reasonably accurately; the fact that they were unable to immediately identify them is understandable, and no cause for criticism. It's one of the rare cases of a UFO sighting when it actually was possible to gather more information after the event, and discover exactly what it was they saw. What is not understandable, and is cause for criticism, is that there are still people insisting that something inexplicable occurred.

Scorpion's observation of a moving/stopping light is plausibly explained by Ryan O'Dine's suggestion of a plane making small course corrections so it was sometimes moving at an angle to him, and sometimes moving directly away. It's understandable that he never thought of that explanation (it wasn't one that occurred to me either off the top of my head, when I generated a list of some of the possible explanations). To confirm it would require obtaining the exact flight plans of all the planes that were in the sky at the time, which obviously isn't possible. But any reasonable person would accept that there is no good reason to think something inexplicable happened.

The problem is that many people who have what they consider inexplicable experiences seem to emotionally invest in their inexplicability, and become increasingly resistant to mundane explanations, however plausible. Even when an explanation which is beyond reasonable doubt is eventually found they refuse to accept it, and just go into denial. It's frustrating, but it seems to be human nature.
 
(This is the point where UFO ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ add all the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ about being scanned and taken aboard the alien mother ship for 'probing'.)
It could have happened if the party bus was close by!
 

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