Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

[JoeMorgue]

Anti-vaxxer Robert Kennedy Jr to head the Department of Health and Human Services.

Because Trump is a man baby troll and literally just doing whatever is going to piss sane people off the most.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Donald's announcement

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promoted many controversial health-related conspiracy theories:

1. Vaccines & Autism - Claims vaccines cause autism, despite extensive debunking.

2. COVID-19 Vaccines - Suggests they’re unsafe, countered by strong data proving efficacy.

3. Bill Gates & Microchips - Believes Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips.

4. 5G Health Risks - Warns 5G causes cancer, with no supporting evidence.

5. HIV/AIDS - Questions if HIV causes AIDS, contrary to established science.

6. Polio Vaccine Doubt - Attributes polio reduction to sanitation over vaccination.

7. Mercury in Vaccines - Claims mercury in vaccines causes harm, disputed by studies.

8. Chemicals in Environment - Overstates certain chemicals' health risks.

9. Pandemic Control - Argues COVID-19 measures are tools for population control.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857170465858433441

 

[Andy_Ross]

Reminder that Trump campaigned on letting RFK Jr do whatever he wants, including "health for women."

 

[dudalb]

RFK as Health Secretary.
I thought Trump might try to buy him off with a Health Advisor powerless positoin, but no, RFK will be in charge ot he Amereicn helath systme.
The disasters comking down the road multiply.

 

[dudalb]

Just last week I saw a lot of GOP spokepeople say don;t worry, a lot of the rumored cabinent choices are just Trump being Trump, he will, in the end make good choices.......

 

[lobosrul5]

Reminder that Trump campaigned on letting RFK Jr do whatever he wants, including "health for women."

Trump says RFK Jr. won't ‘touch the oil and gas’

The longtime environmentalist and former Democrat has become one of the former president’s most visible supporters.

www.eenews.net

Nope, won't be allowed to do whatever he wants. This is a guy that called for the death penalty for oil executives after all. (he then, IMO falsely, claimed he meant corporations to be dissolved, ie given the corporate death penalty).

 

[Stacyhs]

He's made clear in the past that white supremacists should be condemned absolutely (during the same press conference that is often cited falsely as him calling them "fine people"). But I agree with you that the incident you cited did not make for good optics, and should have been handled better... Trumps combative attitude leads to him make unnecessary, and unforced errors, and unfortunately that's one aspect of him I neither like, nor believe is going to change....

Trump's "unnecessary, and unforced errors" reveal who he truly is. His most outrageous and disgusting "unnecessary, and unforced errors" are when he goes off script and impulsively says what he really thinks.

 

[dudalb]

Trump's "unnecessary, and unforced errors" reveal who he truly is. His most outrageous and disgusting "unnecessary, and unforced errors" are when he goes off script and impulsively says what he really thinks.

And he is making plenty unforced errors in his cabinent choices.
What is shocking to me is that some of htem are going to hurt him badly. He just does not seem to care.
The RFK choice will be another firestorm. One he could have avoided by simply fobbing off RFK with a meaingless "Advisor on Health" position ir have him head a commission, another basically powerless title. Instead he gives him real power.
And he has pissed off many big donors to the GOP with the rFK pick, the AMA the BIg Pharma companies, and many other health releated industires to no real purpose. I fear he has gone insane.

 

[The Don]

And he is making plenty unforced errors in his cabinent choices.
What is shocking to me is that some of htem are going to hurt him badly. He just does not seem to care.
The RFK choice will be another firestorm. One he could have avoided by simply fobbing off RFK with a meaingless "Advisor on Health" position ir have him head a commission, another basically powerless title. Instead he gives him real power.
And he has pissed off many big donors to the GOP with the rFK pick, the AMA the BIg Pharma companies, and many other health releated industires to no real purpose. I fear he has gone insane.

He's behaving exactly as expected. He's rewarding toadies and settling scores.

He doesn't care about donors because he knows they'll donate to the GOP regardless.

He's no more insane than he's ever been IMO.

 

[Resume]

He's behaving exactly as expected. He's rewarding toadies and settling scores.

He doesn't care about donors because he knows they'll donate to the GOP regardless.

He's no more insane than he's ever been IMO.

But he is browner.

 

[newyorkguy]

...Because Trump is a man baby troll and literally just doing whatever is going to piss sane people off the most.

Here's the punch line:

“Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research." trump on X.

Folks, we're screwed.

 

[dudalb]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...stuns-onlookers/ar-AA1u6va4?ocid=BingNewsSerp

A lot in the medical community not please with the RFK choice.

 

[newyorkguy]

This may be the kennedy-trump pro quid pro:

Kennedy would also be involved in any changes Trump and congressional Republicans attempt to make to Medicaid, which provides health care coverage for low-income Americans. In Trump’s first term, the agency tried to institute work requirements, which was largely blocked in court, and lawmakers unsuccessfully sought to reduce the program’s funding. The program, which covers nearly 72.5 million Americans, is expected to be a target in Trump’s second term, especially as the GOP seeks savings to offset the tax relief they hope to implement. CNN article link

 

[dudalb]

I now think within Six Months you will have the greatest case of Buyers Regret ever seen by a lot of voters.

 

[chrispy]

I'm so ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ glad I moved out of the States all those years ago. I just feel for my parents. They are in their 70's and my mother has severe medical needs. Doomed. We are all doomed. /end rant

 

[dudalb]

This may be the kennedy-trump pro quid pro:

That does not explain why RFK with all the baggage he brings. A much less controversial candidate would do the same on medicare.

 

[Stacyhs]

I am citing that we have left leaning states that have been implementing policies that direct personnel to help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent. It is additionally celebrated by the ACLU for it being enforced by state law. Washington State is another example where laws are on the books that allow shelters to notify the Department of Children and Families, in lieu of the parents and allow when they're presented, "to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission. Policies like this, and alterations to insurance offerings to make them covered as essential services rather than as cosmetic-only only provide incentives to make it easier to push minors rather than letting them possibly grow out of it, rather than having them make irreversible changes to their bodies before they have a full understanding of that.

Please move the goalpost back to its original position. Your claim was that schools are "indoctrinating children into believing they're something other than they were born as and driving them into life-altering decisions before they're mature enough to make decisions on their own. "

Your defense reply that schools " help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent," is NOT indoctrinating them to believe they're something other than they were born or "driving them into life-altering decisions".
Notice the words "help" and to "plan out THEIR preferred pronouns, etc. Those are the choices of the children, not the school staff. That is not what indoctrination is: Indoctrinate: "to teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." Your claim is that cisgender children are being taught that they aren't cisgender. That claim it ludicrous.

As for staff not being allowed to inform parents "without a student's consent" that's because the student doesn't WANT the parents told, because they are afraid of them finding out. And using a different pronoun, name, or bathroom in school is hardly a "life-altering decision" that can't be easily reversed, either.

This entire idea that schools CAN or WOULD EVEN WANT to try to make children believe they aren't the gender they feel they is insane. But that's the position you are taking.

If you don't ask people questions or don't care to do so, you'll just get ignored. That rhetoric of yours shows a lack of interest in researching issues that the party could improve on. It's extremely naive thinking to believe you'll get people to hear you out if you insult them hard enough. It's similar to Harris's problem of refusing to answer questions to explain her policy goals and how she would run things differently from Biden. Nothing but hot air and lip service.

Do you deny that stupidity knows no race? Because that's what I said. I'm not interested in Trump supporters "hearing me out" because there is NOTHING I could say that would convince them that Trump is unfit for office. They and you have had 8 years of watching that blowhard say and do the most outrageous things like inciting Jan.6, continually lie thousands of times, insult and disparage anyone who dares defy him, and they just handwave away being held liable for sexual assault and being a 34X convicted felon. And you think they, or you, would "hear me out" and somehow finally realize he's entirely unfit to be POTUS? Get real.

You can snip his comments and make them fit the criteria to make him sound like Hitler, or you can look back at his actions when he was already POTUS to find out if that hyperbolic comparison is accurate.

I didn't MAKE them fit the categories of the tactics used by fascists in Europe in the 20's and 30's; they DO fit because that's what he said. I'm not jamming his foot into a shoe two sizes too small. Trump's tactics slide into that shoe like it was custom made.

Case in point.... you've been comparing him to a mass murderer that conducted constitutional decrees allowing him to snub out all political opposition, stamp out individual freedoms without parliamentary oversight, terrorized and interrupted opposing political gatherings, and ran a genocide campaign that killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps with much of his decrees happening within two years of him officially gaining control.

Nope. I never mentioned Hitler the man. I compared the tactics used by fascists in Italy and Germany to Trump's own words which is supported by the Norwegian historian's article ""There are clear parallels between the erosion of democracy currently being witnessed today and the disastrous takeover of power by the Fascists and the Nazis in the 1930s, observes historian at the University of Oslo." I can't make selectively blind or history ignorant people see what is right in front of his face

The worst Trump is guilty of is contesting the 2020 elections and indirectly motivating people to storm the capital, and being combative with journalists and members of congress. All of which I agree played a hand in tarnishing my opinion of him to one extent or another. Despite that, your comparing him to someone that was so much farther beyond the pale that your analogue can't grasp relevance. Journalists have not been "disappeared", News stations have not been taken off the air for heckling him with combative questions, and when he had his best chance to deny the transition of power to Biden/Harris after contesting the 2020 election, he was still obligated to allow the transfer of power to happen. He is not up for re-election in four years. But I guess if you want to cite political violence or anything you could tell me if you think Antifa was trying to promote Trumps' supposed dictator agenda by rioting in DC after the 2017 inauguration.

"Contesting" and election? Is that what you call his constant claim that the election was rigged and stolen even after 60 courts and audits found that to be a lie?

"Indirectly motivating people to storm the capital"? Oh, come on! He knew exactly what he was doing and he's the king of finding plausible deniability which you've embraced with open arms. Rioters have come right out and said he called them to the Capitol:
"A new assessment of public records by a federal watchdog group has found that approximately 210 defendants charged with crimes connected to Jan. 6 directly expressed that they only came to Washington, D.C., or joined in on the violence at the U.S. Capitol because they were incited by former President Donald Trump and heeding his call.

Stop minimizing what he has done.

But I digress, if you want to compare him to something to support that he's unfit for office, at least put some effort into making it relevant. There is discussion to be had if people weren't going bonkers with forcing this Nazi narrative.

I guess you've missed all the reasons I and others have stated he's unfit for office for the last few years: "inciting Jan.6, continually lying thousands of times, insulting and disparaging anyone who dares defy him, and handwaving away being held liable for sexual assault and being a 34X convicted felon." Or have you missed all this and the numerous discussions of his narcissistic personality disorder?

You're citing immigration and economic concerns as signals for fascism and nazi'sm, when it was established by exit polling that immigration and inflation are the same issues that minority voters and the working class voters were most concerned with when they were asked. The same voters you're calling stupid and sexist. This circles back to the second piece of your reply I quoted. When you blindly insult voters without asking for their concerns, they will have no incentive to respond to your concerns.

Nuh-uh. You're misrepresenting what I said. I've never denied that "immigration and inflation are the same issues that minority voters and the working class voters were most concerned with when they were asked." My point was how Trump uses immigration and inflation to fear monger by associating illegal immigrants to crime and disparaging and dehumanizing immigrants and that that inflation is due to the Dems' "radical, sociocommiefascist"policies and only he can "fix it". Those are the tactics used in the 20's and 30's to install fascism.

I stand by my statement that anyone who cannot see just how horribly unfit Trump is for the office of POTUS is stupid. If they can't see that now they never will and not calling them stupid isn't going to lead to their sudden awakening.

 

[newyorkguy]

I expected it to be bad but not this bad. Tulsi Gabbard, Matt Gaetz, RFK Jr.?

 

[dudalb]

I'm so ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ glad I moved out of the States all those years ago. I just feel for my parents. They are in their 70's and my mother has severe medical needs. Doomed. We are all doomed. /end rant

Donald Trump thanks you for your help in spreading despari..his secret weapon.