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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

As someone in this thread already said, only thing left is for Trump is to appoint his horse a consul.
 
dudalb said:
When the body bags start coming home, they will.
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Ideally, that would be the case. Excuse me if my faith in the Republican Party on that front is extraordinarily low, though, after their performance during his last Presidency and since then. At this point, action is the only thing that could reasonably change that, not blind faith in qualities that far too many seem to be actively averse to in practice.
dudalb said:
And that her choice is being celebrated by Iran and CHina, as well as Putin and various Terrorist gorups, goes right over his head.
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Over his head? It sounds rather like you're assuming that he has certain principles that he's repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't really have.
 
alfaniner said:
My prediction -- we will soon have a new political time measurement unit that is even shorter than the "Scaramucci".
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A lot of these appointess are going to find out that Loyalty is a one way street with Trump.
When as is inevitable given how many of them are incompetent for their jobs, disasters will happen Trump will hang them out to dry.
 
Stacyhs said:
That is a load of nonsense as you're repeating false and ignorant claims. NO ONE is "indoctrinating" children "into believing they're something other than they were born as and driving them into life-altering decisions before they're mature enough to make decisions on their own." Are you seriously claiming that teachers and parents are convincing children that they aren't the gender they think they are? They're deliberately convincing children who are perfectly happy being the sex they were assigned at birth that they are the opposite sex and should have surgery?
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I am citing that we have left leaning states that have been implementing policies that direct personnel to help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent. It is additionally celebrated by the ACLU for it being enforced by state law. Washington State is another example where laws are on the books that allow shelters to notify the Department of Children and Families, in lieu of the parents and allow when they're presented, "to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission. Policies like this, and alterations to insurance offerings to make them covered as essential services rather than as cosmetic-only only provide incentives to make it easier to push minors rather than letting them possibly grow out of it, rather than having them make irreversible changes to their bodies before they have a full understanding of that.

Stacyhs said:
Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans can be just as stupid as Caucasians. Stupidity knows no race.
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If you don't ask people questions or don't care to do so, you'll just get ignored. That rhetoric of yours shows a lack of interest in researching issues that the party could improve on. It's extremely naive thinking to believe you'll get people to hear you out if you insult them hard enough. It's similar to Harris's problem of refusing to answer questions to explain her policy goals and how she would run things differently from Biden. Nothing but hot air and lip service.

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"There are clear parallels between the erosion of democracy currently being witnessed today and the disastrous takeover of power by the Fascists and the Nazis in the 1930s, observes historian at the University of Oslo."
"Economic uncertainty, migration, ethnic nationalism and the narrative of a strong leader. These are all key words that might describe several European countries today, but which also define the interwar years – a period during which democratic countries took an authoritarian turn which eventually ended in war."
Trump's rhetoric on
Economic uncertainty: Check: “This country will end up in a depression if she becomes president. Like 1929.” [LINK ADDED]
“If they get in, your energy costs are going to through the roof — they are going through the roof, OK? You won’t have a farm very long, I will tell you that.”
“Bacon is up five times.” "
“Looking at the prices here, things are way too expensive and they’re way too expensive because of Kamala Harris’s policies.”

Migration. Check: “Kamala [Harris] has imported an army of illegal alien gang members and migrant criminals from the dungeons of the third world … from prisons and jails and insane asylums and mental institutions, and she has had them resettled beautifully into your community to prey upon innocent American citizens." And so many, many more ugly, racist comments.

Ethnic nationalism. Check: “You know, now a murderer, I believe this, it’s in their genes," Trump said this month on the Hugh Hewitt radio show, amid one rant against immigrants, by far the most popular target of hate for his fans. “And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now.”
“They let — I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country. When they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They’re poisoning the blood of our country,” Trump told the crowd at a rally in New Hampshire. “That’s what they’ve done. They poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just to three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world. They’re coming into our country from Africa, from Asia, all over the world.”
"Our country is being lost. We’re a failing nation.”

Narrative of a strong leader. Check: “I alone can fix it.” "“They say [Orban] is a strongman. Sometimes you need a strongman.”
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You can snip his comments and make them fit the criteria to make him sound like Hitler, or you can look back at his actions when he was already POTUS to find out if that hyperbolic comparison is accurate.

Case in point.... you've been comparing him to a mass murderer that conducted constitutional decrees allowing him to snub out all political opposition, stamp out individual freedoms without parliamentary oversight, terrorized and interrupted opposing political gatherings, and ran a genocide campaign that killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps with much of his decrees happening within two years of him officially gaining control.

The worst Trump is guilty of is contesting the 2020 elections and indirectly motivating people to storm the capital, and being combative with journalists and members of congress. All of which I agree played a hand in tarnishing my opinion of him to one extent or another. Despite that, your comparing him to someone that was so much farther beyond the pale that your analogue can't grasp relevance. Journalists have not been "disappeared", News stations have not been taken off the air for heckling him with combative questions, and when he had his best chance to deny the transition of power to Biden/Harris after contesting the 2020 election, he was still obligated to allow the transfer of power to happen. He is not up for re-election in four years. But I guess if you want to cite political violence or anything you could tell me if you think Antifa was trying to promote Trumps' supposed dictator agenda by rioting in DC after the 2017 inauguration.

But I digress, if you want to compare him to something to support that he's unfit for office, at least put some effort into making it relevant. There is discussion to be had if people weren't going bonkers with forcing this Nazi narrative. You're citing immigration and economic concerns as signals for fascism and nazi'sm, when it was established by exit polling that immigration and inflation are the same issues that minority voters and the working class voters were most concerned with when they were asked. The same voters you're calling stupid and sexist. This circles back to the second piece of your reply I quoted. When you blindly insult voters without asking for their concerns, they will have no incentive to respond to your concerns.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
I am citing that we have left leaning states that have been implementing policies that direct personnel to help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent. It is additionally celebrated by the ACLU for it being enforced by state law. Washington State is another example where laws are on the books that allow shelters to notify the Department of Children and Families, in lieu of the parents and allow when they're presented, "to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission. Policies like this, and alterations to insurance offerings to make them covered as essential services rather than as cosmetic-only only provide incentives to make it easier to push minors rather than letting them possibly grow out of it, rather than having them make irreversible changes to their bodies before they have a full understanding of that.


If you don't ask people questions or don't care to do so, you'll just get ignored. That rhetoric of yours shows a lack of interest in researching issues that the party could improve on. It's extremely naive thinking to believe you'll get people to hear you out if you insult them hard enough. It's similar to Harris's problem of refusing to answer questions to explain her policy goals and how she would run things differently from Biden. Nothing but hot air and lip service.


You can snip his comments and make them fit the criteria to make him sound like Hitler, or you can look back at his actions when he was already POTUS to find out if that hyperbolic comparison is accurate.

Case in point.... you've been comparing him to a mass murderer that conducted constitutional decrees allowing him to snub out all political opposition, stamp out individual freedoms without parliamentary oversight, terrorized and interrupted opposing political gatherings, and ran a genocide campaign that killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps with much of his decrees happening within two years of him officially gaining control.

The worst Trump is guilty of is contesting the 2020 elections and indirectly motivating people to storm the capital, and being combative with journalists and members of congress. All of which I agree played a hand in tarnishing my opinion of him to one extent or another. Despite that, your comparing him to someone that was so much farther beyond the pale that your analogue can't grasp relevance. Journalists have not been "disappeared", News stations have not been taken off the air for heckling him with combative questions, and when he had his best chance to deny the transition of power to Biden/Harris after contesting the 2020 election, he was still obligated to allow the transfer of power to happen. He is not up for re-election in four years. But I guess if you want to cite political violence or anything you could tell me if you think Antifa was trying to promote Trumps' supposed dictator agenda by rioting in DC after the 2017 inauguration.

But I digress, if you want to compare him to something to support that he's unfit for office, at least put some effort into making it relevant. There is discussion to be had if people weren't distorting reality where it has no need to be distorted.
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Guy, I agree with you there is a lot of hyperbole around, but , sorry, Trump is morally unfit to be POTUS
You seem to wave off a lot of the outrageous things he says. but sorry, nobody aspring to be Potus should talk about being a temporary dictator, or about not needing any more elections, or having dinner with Holocause Deniers and white supremists. The man has no moral compass.
I agree that he chances of becoming a dictator are not that great but I think he will try and that alone shoud bar him from being Potus.
And last time he had some rails; s lot of mainstream GOPers in his government managed to contorl or stop some of things he wanted to do. There are no rails this time, as his choices for high office show.
 
dudalb said:
Guy, I agree with you there is a lot of hyperbole around, but , sorry, Trump is morally unfit to be POTUS
You seem to wave off a lot of the outrageous things he says. but sorry, nobody aspring to be Potus should talk about being a temporary dictator, or about not needing any more elections, or having dinner with Holocause Deniers and white supremists. The man has no moral compass.
I agree that he chances of becoming a dictator are not that great but I think he will try and that alone shoud bar him from being Potus.
And last time he had some rails; s lot of mainstream GOPers in his government managed to contorl or stop some of things he wanted to do. There are no rails this time, as his choices for high office show.
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He's made clear in the past that white supremacists should be condemned absolutely (during the same press conference that is often cited falsely as him calling them "fine people"). But I agree with you that the incident you cited did not make for good optics, and should have been handled better... Trumps combative attitude leads to him make unnecessary, and unforced errors, and unfortunately that's one aspect of him I neither like, nor believe is going to change....
 
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Matt Gaetz, pervy criminal, leading US "justice". Wow. And what a cabinet of dimbulbs. Trailer park USA is here. Fly swatter time!

Of course, it has always been here. The American Dream was ever a cheap grab-the-cash-and-run proposition, all dollied up like a street walker. What began as brutal settler colonialism, then hid behind a now-disgraced NY statue waving a hanky like a beckoning hooker, "Yoo-hoo!", has revealed itself as what it is and has always been: dedication to a total lack of character, moral spine, and intellectual fortitude in abject, tongue-lolling service of coin.

Here, 30 pieces. Doing the solid you were hoping for.
 
dudalb said:
A lot of these appointess are going to find out that Loyalty is a one way street with Trump.
When as is inevitable given how many of them are incompetent for their jobs, disasters will happen Trump will hang them out to dry.
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This is reminding me of when Bush appointed one of his gormless mates to run FEMA, and then Hurricane Katrina happened. I recall Bush praising him for the great job he was doing, but I didn't know what happened to him after so I looked it up. It appears he eventually resigned, but it's not a particularly encouraging precedent.
 
One thing about the last few years of political turmoil.

I don't EVER want to hear another Baby Boomer talk about Nixon/Watergate in these hushed tones like they are talking about THE pivotal moment in American politics anymore.

I know the defining characteristics of Boomers is an absolutely 100% certainty that everything that happened to them is the most important version of itself to the point that even "The music festival most of them heard about first" has been elevated to the Second Coming, or as XKCD put it "An American Tradition is anything that happened to a Baby Boomer twice."

But hell Watergate almost sounds quaint at this point. And the system worked for Watergate. Sure there was politics and tribalism but when actual factual proof was given, the Republicans turned on Nixon. And Nixon accepted his punishment with if not dignity at least some basic human self-awareness.
 
"Well eventually Trump has to run out of supporters" has been a crutch we've been leaning on too hard for too long and it's obviously not actually ever going to happen.

Maybe this cabinet stays, maybe he runs through them like the last time, either way he'll just replace them with increasingly worse and worse people.
 
Andy_Ross said:
How many of his appointees do you think will end up in jail this time?
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None. He will either issue a perpetual pardon or they will be able to claim that the president told them to do something and as we know any "official" thing the president does is now legal.
 
JoeMorgue said:
One thing about the last few years of political turmoil.

I don't EVER want to hear another Baby Boomer talk about Nixon/Watergate in these hushed tones like they are talking about THE pivotal moment in American politics anymore.

I know the defining characteristics of Boomers is an absolutely 100% certainty that everything that happened to them is the most important version of itself to the point that even "The music festival most of them heard about first" has been elevated to the Second Coming, or as XKCD put it "An American Tradition is anything that happened to a Baby Boomer twice."

But hell Watergate almost sounds quaint at this point. And the system worked for Watergate. Sure there was politics and tribalism but when actual factual proof was given, the Republicans turned on Nixon. And Nixon accepted his punishment with if not dignity at least some basic human self-awareness.
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I genuinely expect that if you managed to explain Watergate to most of the republicans in power they simply would not be able to comprehend Nixon's actions when he was caught out.
 
John Bolton says Matt Gaetz is "the worst nomination for a Cabinet position in American history"

Elon says "John Bolton, who is a staggeringly dumb warmonger, being against someone is a great sign! Gaetz will be great."
 
Andy_Ross said:
John Bolton says Matt Gaetz is "the worst nomination for a Cabinet position in American history"

Elon says "John Bolton, who is a staggeringly dumb warmonger, being against someone is a great sign! Gaetz will be great."
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Is John Bolton going to do anything about it?

Then his words literally mean less than nothing.
 
Pixel42 said:
This is reminding me of when Bush appointed one of his gormless mates to run FEMA, and then Hurricane Katrina happened. I recall Bush praising him for the great job he was doing, but I didn't know what happened to him after so I looked it up. It appears he eventually resigned, but it's not a particularly encouraging precedent.
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You mean Brownie?

He resigned, then got a job being a right-wing talk show host. He was last noted complaining that Obama was too much on the ball in advance of Hurricane Sandy and whined that he was actually doing his job. Then he griped that NYC should suffer more blackouts as it would be good for them.

Haven't heard about him since then. Sandy was 12 years ago.
 
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