Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

[ChrisBFRPKY]

A weak argument, from the start. Nothing more than a lame attempted gotcha, really.

For a better assessment of the situation at hand -

There's nothing weak about it. It's a fact. California passed law that prohibits Voter ID. There is no valid argument or valid reason to prohibit Voter ID other than to make elections less secure.

 

[smartcooky]

Swing voters?
The democrats lost 10 million votes.
Republicans were same as 2020. Democrats never turned up for their ridiculous candidates.

All that means is a ◊◊◊◊-load of Republican swing voters voted for Biden in 2020, happy enough to choose one old white guy over another old white guy, but when it came to choosing a woman with brown skin and a south-asian heritage over an old white guy, they just couldn't overcome their innate misogyny and racial bias.

And if you don't believe Repugnicans would take race and sex into consideration when casting their votes, you only have to look at the demographic of the Repugnican House and Senate caucuses - 90% white males

 

[smartcooky]

There's nothing weak about it. It's a fact.
California passed law that prohibits Voter ID. There is no valid argument or valid reason to prohibit Voter ID other than to make elections less secure.

https://perkinscoie.com/insights/up...ties-imposing-their-own-voter-id-requirements

SB 1174 prevented localities from imposing their own voter ID Requirements. They still used voter ID, they simply were not permitted to add their own additional requirements over and above those already put in place by state election authorities.

As usual Mr Figboot, you play fast and loose with the truth. At worst, you have told a bare-faced, outright lie - at best you have made a gross misrepresentation of the truth.

 

[Aridas]

There's nothing weak about it. It's a fact. California passed law that prohibits Voter ID. There is no valid argument or valid reason to prohibit Voter ID other than to make elections less secure.

smartcooky beat me to it, but it's worth going a little further. Your deception was already exposed in the post that you replied to, yet you tried to double down on it using idiocy that was also addressed there. Is it that you think that we are stupid or are you choosing to be stupid again?

Securing our elections is not just about taking measures to prevent unlawful voting and interference. Among other nuances, securing our elections also includes not letting people disenfranchise legitimate voters of the legal right to vote.

 

[smartcooky]

The Fat Orange Turd is an overweight blob. Given the amount of poor food choices he makes, he likely has a heart condition ready to take him down. This, and the fact that he is clearly losing his marbles

The most terrifying thing about his victory, is the prospect of J.D Vance as president.
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[alfaniner]

How long after Inauguration do you think it will take for the (third) impeachment to be submitted? I think if Democrats are brave it should be Day One. Of course, with the Congress minority it won't go anywhere, like the last two did.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

smartcooky beat me to it, but it's worth going a little further. Your deception was already exposed in the post that you replied to, yet you tried to double down on it using idiocy that was also addressed there. Is it that you think that we are stupid or are you choosing to be stupid again?

Securing our elections is not just about taking measures to prevent unlawful voting and interference. Among other nuances, securing our elections also includes not letting people disenfranchise legitimate voters of the legal right to vote.

I have no time for nonsense. Voter ID is banned in California. Case closed. Feel free to gaslight each other with lies and alternate versions of reality but the fact is by law no ID is required to vote in California. An opinion or political posturing does not change fact or law. Stick to the facts, I do.

 

[Aridas]

I have no time for nonsense. Voter ID is banned in California. Case closed. Feel free to gaslight each other with lies and alternate versions of reality but the fact is by law no ID is required to vote in California. An opinion or political posturing does not change fact or law. Stick to the facts, I do.

All you've got is nonsense, though? As demonstrated, your argument is naught but deception.

Going a bit further, you really want every little locality to be making up their own rules on who they can prevent voting? That sure sounds like a situation ripe for serious abuse.

You've chosen to claim the latter of the options, either way. You're choosing to be stupid. Yet again.

You've also still not shown that anything that I said initially was in error. Actions do speak louder than words and many Republican Party actions have and have tried to undermine our elections in serious ways. The bill you're trying to attack? Entirely reasonable when it comes to maintaining election integrity. Nationally pushing a system to remove names from the eligible voter lists that gets things wrong over 99% of the time, with a distinctly partisan skew in the errors? That's not even remotely good for election integrity. Making a huge deal about how there was massive fraud and defending it with a bunch of testimony like "the counting room was a little warm" and "somebody looked at me" as proof is not even remotely good for election integrity.

 

[stanfr]

How long after Inauguration do you think it will take for the (third) impeachment to be submitted? I think if Democrats are brave it should be Day One. Of course, with the Congress minority it won't go anywhere, like the last two did.

That didn't stop the GOP from wasting millions in a sham attempt to impeach Biden. So why not? Pretending to be above their level hasn't helped any, maybe they should sink below it.

 

[stanfr]

The Fat Orange Turd is an overweight blob. Given the amount of poor food choices he makes, he likely has a heart condition ready to take him down. This, and the fact that he is clearly losing his marbles

The most terrifying thing about his victory, is the prospect of J.D Vance as president.
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I dunno, he might come out as the first gay President...

 

[stanfr]

I have no time for nonsense. Voter ID is banned in California. Case closed. Feel free to gaslight each other with lies and alternate versions of reality but the fact is by law
no ID is required to vote in California. An opinion or political posturing does not change fact or law. Stick to the facts, I do.

By law you must show a state drivers license, state ID, or SS# to register to vote. If you are not registered, you can't vote. So your statement is false.

 

[Hercules56]

There's nothing weak about it. It's a fact. California passed law that prohibits Voter ID. There is no valid argument or valid reason to prohibit Voter ID other than to make elections less secure.

There is no big enough problem requiring such a major change in national elections affecting hundreds of millions of people.

Let us know when we find tens of thousands of non-citizen voting illegally in federal elections. Then maybe we can talk about requiring an ID for everybody to vote. Until then it is a solution looking for a problem.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Trump is now the President. Right now. At least internationally, effectively.

Perhaps a cold compress and a darkened room would help with the delirium.

 

[Tero]

Wonder if the republicans felt the same about Obama doing all those woke thing back then, as we do about Trump doing Trump things? Just hearing his voice now, with 4 more years...or at least one...to think about is intolerable. I do not play it all on social mdedia clips. After the election. I did play them a few weeks ago.

 

[Aridas]

That didn't stop the GOP from wasting millions in a sham attempt to impeach Biden. So why not?
Pretending to be above their level hasn't helped any, maybe they should sink below it.

Just to poke at this for a moment - that you would so readily declare the actual actions of the Democratic Party to be "pretending" may be representative of part of the underlying problem with the political landscape in the US. There's good reason that Democrats being in charge tends to be described as them governing, though, and that Republicans being in charge tends to be described as them ruling. There's fundamentally different base goals and principles that are increasingly in play in who gets selected and rewarded.

Wonder if the republicans felt the same about Obama doing all those woke thing back then, as we do about Trump doing Trump things? Just hearing his voice now, with 4 more years...or at least one...to think about is intolerable. I do not play it all on social mdedia clips. After the election. I did play them a few weeks ago.

If you're solely talking about emotionally? Potentially. We are all humans, after all, so it would be no surprise at all if there were similar conditioned reactions to stimuli.

 

[Tero]

Brief note to Democrats: if the election is with someone like Trump running, the policies are nothing. There were issues, sure, abortion and Trump's foreigners. But the Democrat needs to test out their speaking manner and approach to low information voters next time. You have to explain things like it was a middle schooler. Except speak to an adult but use simple words. Those voters are hard to get interested in politcs at all. But now they felt they had a complaint. Many were young enough to never have had a major inflation to deal with. Test focus groups next time. When we have a whole year to run a campaign. Now we had some 100 days.

 

[smartcooky]

I have no time for nonsense. Voter ID is banned in California. Case closed. Feel free to gaslight each other with lies and alternate versions of reality but the fact is by law no ID is required to vote in California. An opinion or political posturing does not change fact or law. Stick to the facts, I do.

Voter ID is NOT BANNED in California. You are just flat out lying about that. As stanfr pointed out earlier, you must provide either a state drivers license, state ID, or SS# to register to vote... and you cannot vote unless you are registered. Throwing your toys out of the cot because you've been caught out doesn't change the fact that you lied.

 

[Aridas]

Voter ID is NOT BANNED in California. You are just flat out lying about that. As stanfr pointed out earlier, you must provide either a state drivers license, state ID, or SS# to register to vote... and you cannot vote unless you are registered. Throwing your toys out of the cot because you've been caught out doesn't change the fact that you lied.

From the start, his argument boiled down to trying to use an out of context technicality, that Newsom signed a bipartisan bill preventing localities from arbitrarily instituting their own additional voter ID requirements to what are already in use in California, in a thoroughly misleading manner. That quickly descended into outright lies (that had just been preemptively shown false) like "There is no valid argument or valid reason to prohibit Voter ID other than to make elections less secure," of course, after various points were made that demonstrated how weak and wrongheaded his attempted argument was. Not really a surprise that he wasn't actually interested in truth, again, though.

His flailing about rather suggests that he's grasping at straws to protect his preferred narratives. That he stated that he wants the 2020 elections investigated, yet again, rather suggests that he's still quite invested in that Big Republican Lie and that he doesn't want to admit how incredibly badly the Big Lie Republicans acted in 2020, much less all the Republican BS on the subject that made the GOP so receptive to the Big Lie and how badly they've been acting since.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Donald says

Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner. Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY! Additionally, no Judges should be approved during this period of time because the Democrats are looking to ram through their Judges as the Republicans fight over Leadership. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU!

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I have no time for nonsense. Voter ID is banned in California. Case closed. Feel free to gaslight each other with lies and alternate versions of reality but the fact is by law no ID is required to vote in California. An opinion or political posturing does not change fact or law. Stick to the facts, I do.

It's not that Voter ID is "banned". More like, there's no law on the books that "requires it".
It's outlined on the government's website, though it does also specify certain circumstances where it's required. Context is important.