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Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

Ziggurat said:
Bull ****. Much of what they were recommending wasn't based on any information at all, it was pulled out of their ass. The 6 feet separation thing? That didn't come from any study, that was just an ass pull.

But it's worse than that. The changing mask recommendation wasn't an ass pull, it was a lie. I understand why they lied, they didn't want a run on masks at the start when masks were in short supply, but it was still a lie.

But it's even worse than that, because some of the lies weren't even motivated by any greater good. The attempts to bury the lab leak hypothesis weren't based on the best information available at the time. Fauci knew that the suppression was a lie. He did it to cover his own ass.



Oh, he's not the only villain in this story, sure. But then, neither is Trump, no matter how much you want him to be.
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Ziggurat said:
Bull ****. Much of what they were recommending wasn't based on any information at all, it was pulled out of their ass. The 6 feet separation thing? That didn't come from any study, that was just an ass pull.

But it's worse than that. The changing mask recommendation wasn't an ass pull, it was a lie. I understand why they lied, they didn't want a run on masks at the start when masks were in short supply, but it was still a lie.

But it's even worse than that, because some of the lies weren't even motivated by any greater good. The attempts to bury the lab leak hypothesis weren't based on the best information available at the time. Fauci knew that the suppression was a lie. He did it to cover his own ass.

Oh, he's not the only villain in this story, sure. But then, neither is Trump, no matter how much you want him to be.
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You're full of it. First you tell us how Biden screwed up the withdrawal of Afghanistan. Now you're saying the that the CDC blew it with COVID. Are you a virologist? Tell us about your degree in studying infectious diseases. Inform us of your years of study. Tell us how you have a degree in the military sciences. I am so tired of individuals who don't know the difference between **** and shinola second guessing those who spent a lifetime studying these subjects.

I consult doctors when I have a medical issue. Not some ass on the Internet. Sure, my doctor could make a mistake. He's human. Still, I consult experts, not some know it all wannabe who barely made it out of high school.
 
Ziggurat said:
Bull ****. Much of what they were recommending wasn't based on any information at all, it was pulled out of their ass. The 6 feet separation thing? That didn't come from any study, that was just an ass pull.

But it's worse than that. The changing mask recommendation wasn't an ass pull, it was a lie. I understand why they lied, they didn't want a run on masks at the start when masks were in short supply, but it was still a lie.

But it's even worse than that, because some of the lies weren't even motivated by any greater good. The attempts to bury the lab leak hypothesis weren't based on the best information available at the time. Fauci knew that the suppression was a lie. He did it to cover his own ass.

Oh, he's not the only villain in this story, sure. But then, neither is Trump, no matter how much you want him to be.
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To borrow your own phrase - Bull ****.

The source of Covid, which still has not been determined, has absolutely nothing to do with the measures recommended to contain it. Which were determined using science, which were determined and recommended by studies in many countries not called the USA, and which have worked to a large degree.

And Trump has an out because he is a demented old fool who serves as a useful idiot and front man for the borderline Nazis running the repub party.
 
Ziggurat said:
Bull ****. Much of what they were recommending wasn't based on any information at all, it was pulled out of their ass. The 6 feet separation thing? That didn't come from any study, that was just an ass pull.

But it's worse than that. The changing mask recommendation wasn't an ass pull, it was a lie. I understand why they lied, they didn't want a run on masks at the start when masks were in short supply, but it was still a lie.

But it's even worse than that, because some of the lies weren't even motivated by any greater good. The attempts to bury the lab leak hypothesis weren't based on the best information available at the time. Fauci knew that the suppression was a lie. He did it to cover his own ass.


Oh, he's not the only villain in this story, sure. But then, neither is Trump, no matter how much you want him to be.
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How ironic that you would accuse people of pulling things out of their asses. :rolleyes:

There are whole threads on this subject, which apparently you don't feel like participating in--neither do I for that matter--but you haven't even attempted to respond to my request that you provide a shred of evidence for any of your accusations.

Here's a balanced look at the legacy of the 6 foot rule FWIW:
NPR

While the article mentions that 'big droplets' aren't the only or even primary way the virus can spread, since viral load matters, it seems pretty obvious to me that I'd rather have an infected person a few feet away from me wearing a mask--ANY mask! rather than coughing directly in my face.

The bottom line is that, as several others have mentioned here, Fauci was dealing with the science as it was presented to him. There is zero evidence he was deliberately presenting misinformation.
 
stanfr said:
How ironic that you would accuse people of pulling things out of their asses. :rolleyes:

There are whole threads on this subject, which apparently you don't feel like participating in--neither do I for that matter--but you haven't even attempted to respond to my request that you provide a shred of evidence for any of your accusations.

Here's a balanced look at the legacy of the 6 foot rule FWIW:
NPR

While the article mentions that 'big droplets' aren't the only or even primary way the virus can spread, since viral load matters, it seems pretty obvious to me that I'd rather have an infected person a few feet away from me wearing a mask--ANY mask! rather than coughing directly in my face.

The bottom line is that, as several others have mentioned here, Fauci was dealing with the science as it was presented to him. There is zero evidence he was deliberately presenting misinformation.
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For perspective, you have to understand that the argument you are responding to is made by a poster who thinks that Trump provides well researched facts in his rants speeches.
 
MAGA has no use for experts with their facts and science. They have common sense. They know Dr Fauci was and is wrong.
 
The only reason that the whole "government can't do anything right" nonsense gets brought up in the first place is that it allows the person to duck out of any reasonable semblance of a standard to which their candidate should conform.

A racist would rather toss out a coherent theory of governance for all of society as long as a little more racism gets done.
 
I Am The Scum said:
The only reason that the whole "government can't do anything right" nonsense gets brought up in the first place is that it allows the person to duck out of any reasonable semblance of a standard to which their candidate should conform.

A racist would rather toss out a coherent theory of governance for all of society as long as a little more racism gets done.
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QFT
 
Steve said:
To borrow your own phrase - Bull ****.

The source of Covid, which still has not been determined, has absolutely nothing to do with the measures recommended to contain it.
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That's true, and I didn't say otherwise. Nevertheless, lies about its possible origin are still lies.

Which were determined using science, which were determined and recommended by studies in many countries not called the USA, and which have worked to a large degree.
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Sure, it was all determined by science.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
 
Ziggurat said:
That's true, and I didn't say otherwise. Nevertheless, lies about its possible origin are still lies.



Sure, it was all determined by science.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
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Mere months after identifying a new disease some scientists and doctors had differences of opinion on how to deal with aspects of the disease. I don't see a problem here. Science advances on identifying and working through differences of opinion. What do you intend this article to support?
 
yeah the guys that all the sudden forgot how getting sick works. hey ziggaraut, when you’re sick stay away from other people. that was the advice. they’re like oh get within six feet of them and cough in their face for freedom.

what year is it lol
 
Steve said:
Nothing like a bunch of conservative lawyers commenting on science and medicine as if they understand any of it.
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Here's a bunch of Trump sycophants that line up to salute whatever nonsense narrative Trump pushes. And Zig references them. There was a time when the Republican party offered different solutions to the same problems as Democrats. Today, they just lie about the problems.
 
seayakin said:
He has criticized the current administration but if I understood everything he said, there is a marked difference in the level of competence and capability of Trump vs Biden. He specifically mentions how horribly Trump managed people, how he could not get any of his agenda passed when Congress was controlled by Republicans. He cited his only real success was in appointing judges. He also meantioned that if you measure the success of a president by their ability to get their agenda implemented Biden is far more successful.
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I consider Trump's inability to get any of their agenda passed to be a feature of the system.
 
thaiboxerken said:
If Trump wins, it's game over for the USA democracy experiment. Trump will pass away, which is JD Vance's hope. JD Vance will be the POTUS and he will wield the power of MAGA and the government in more dangerous way that Trump could. It will be apartheid.
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Wait... so Vance is even more worser of the most evilests ever than Trump?
 
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