Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

[MarkCorrigan]

Vixen, what is the make and model of your car?

There is no way anyone could possibly "stalk" you based on that information unless there's only one or two of them in Finland.

 

[Rolfe]

Ok, I did say I was guessing. Still, it does seem strange to me; what turns the car on, opening the door or pressing the brake?

It's progressive. Some things wake up when the door is opened, but the main thing is sitting in the driver's seat. There's a sensor that detects when you sit down. Then pressing the brake puts the car into ready mode. Some settings won't "take" until that has been done, often to the frustration of new owners.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

As JLR did launch Range Rover Sport in 2013 to 2014 it struck me that this Luton guy might have had an early prototype without it being officially labelled as having such a feature. That's all.

You just made that up too.

Your fantasy now requires that JLR announced their new models and began taking orders in 2013 for delivery in 2014 but the new feature for which the buyers were paying thousands extra was still just a prototype and the first buyers got unfinished cars with a non-hybrid dashboard and no HEV badging.

I know JLR gets a lot of flak for their quality control and reliability but that's just crazy nonsense. They're selling aspirational cars at high prices and they do not deliver pre-production lashups to customers.

 

[Dabop]

Nope, you have repeatedly and consistently claimed that that was just a repetition of a provisional statement made in response to a question at the initial press conference.

Far from acknowledging the fact, you continued to demand that you should be told the exact make and model of the vehicle.

And yet when the same is asked of her- evasions and accusations....
'what a surprise.... (not)'

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I know you are being sarcastic but actually it would be very useful for the Fire Brigade to contact JLR to receive the powertrain diagram of this particular vehicle.

With thousands of vehicle fires each year in the UK alone, do you also think it would be very useful if fire services were to study car models to learn what parts they contain which might be fire or explosion hazards, or may release toxic materials when burned?

You should suggest that to them.

I appear to be being sarcastic again.

 

[zooterkin]

The BFRS told you exactly what type of car started the fire months ago.

So I have acknowledged.

But you haven't:

"When did you stop beating your wife?" logic.

For you it was a misconceived question of pro-EV enthusiasts vs Anti-Ev's/Big Oil. Hence your quasi-stance of painting me as a some kind of anti-EV campaigner.

But that wasn't my interest at all (no matter how much you try to frame it as such). As the report only came out three days ago I will await to see the response and the outcome to it. I will reserve my opinion until I understand more about what happened with the vehicle involved.

What grounds do you have for still believing the car where the fire started could have been an EV or hybrid?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

As I understand it, the Liverpool Range Rover was modified with a night heater.

Did you just Google that? That modification would be very unusual in a petrol car. Either way, you did not get that rumour from the report you asked us to contrast with the Luton report.

I already said I accept what the report says about the vehicle type.

Then why did you say "I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a hybrid" just two days ago?

 

[zooterkin]

Sorry, this was meant to start with the quote of Zooterkin asking about how my car turns on.



It's progressive. Some things wake up when the door is opened, but the main thing is sitting in the driver's seat. There's a sensor that detects when you sit down. Then pressing the brake puts the car into ready mode. Some settings won't "take" until that has been done, often to the frustration of new owners.

Thanks, that's interesting. I could probably get used to that; my previous (non-EV) had keyless entry, you just needed the fob on your person, and grasping the door handle unlocked it. It felt like a step back when my current car required you to press a button on the door handle to unlock it! And putting a key in to start my partner's EV feels like a huge imposition compared with just pressing a button.

 

[zooterkin]

Quite a good write up of the report here in LutonToday (if you can bear the ads).

https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/t...ncluding-cause-response-and-aftermath-4817288

Is Luton Today lying to you?

A Range Rover Sport was captured on CCTV driving into Terminal Car Park 2, in Easy Way. Footage showed smoke coming from the bonnet as it entered, and by the time it reached the third floor, flames were coming from the engine. It is believed that the fire started due to an ‘electrical fault or component failure’ in the engine of the diesel-powered car.

Nota bene: the 'believed' applies to the electrical fault, not to the car being a diesel.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... As the report only came out three days ago I will await to see the response and the outcome to it. I will reserve my opinion until I understand more about what happened with the vehicle involved.

So having reserved your opinion until you read the official report, you're now going to reserve your opinion until you read a bunch of other stuff that's not the official report.

 

[Rolfe]

Thanks, that's interesting. I could probably get used to that; my previous (non-EV) had keyless entry, you just needed the fob on your person, and grasping the door handle unlocked it. It felt like a step back when my current car required you to press a button on the door handle to unlock it! And putting a key in to start my partner's EV feels like a huge imposition compared with just pressing a button.

I keep my car key tucked inside my bra! It means it's always on me, and I can't divest myself of it by leaving a handbag in the house or taking off a jacket. I have to press a door button to open the car though, just grasping the handle won't do it.

One thing that can be annoying is that if you get out of the car even just to take off a jacket or wipe the windscreen, the car assumes you might be a different person when you sit down again and reverts some settings, most notably the LKA which is a pig and needs to be off, but the car keeps trying to make you have it on.

It needs driver profiles.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Quite a good write up of the report here in LutonToday (if you can bear the ads).

https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/t...ncluding-cause-response-and-aftermath-4817288

It's almost as good as reading the actual report. I'm somehow reminded of the Estonia megathread. You do know you can also read the actual report, right?

 

[LondonJohn]

As the report only came out three days ago I will await to see the response and the outcome to it. I will reserve my opinion until I understand more about what happened with the vehicle involved.

Erm... you'll "reserve your opinion" about what, exactly?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... One thing that can be annoying is that if you get out of the car even just to take off a jacket or wipe the windscreen, the car assumes you might be a different person when you sit down again and reverts some settings, most notably the LKA which is a pig and needs to be off, but the car keeps trying to make you have it on.

It needs driver profiles.

LKA?
<edit> Ah! Lane Keeping Assistance. 2nd page of Google results. Not the ladies' kennel association or the Landeskriminalamt etc.

 

[LondonJohn]

But when lithium batteries were in their introductory stage, the dashboards weren't modified, it was likely just seen as another car component and registered as diesel or petrol.

This is utter, utter nonsense. You've just completely made that up. Why did you make it up, Vixen?

As JLR did launch Range Rover Sport in 2013 to 2014 it struck me that this Luton guy might have had an early prototype without it being officially labelled as having such a feature. That's all.

More total nonsense. Not to mention the rather obvious fact that the fire service had the vehicle in its possession for forensic examination. Even with the fire damage, they'd easily have been able to examine the car's general topology and known with absolute certainty whether there was an electric motor or (large) lithium ion battery present.

This really is pathetic floundering.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Erm... you'll "reserve your opinion" about what, exactly?

I think Vixen's position is that she has "acknowledged" and "accepted" that the Fire service did state categorically the car was a plain diesel, but she still does not believe that information is true. And yet, for some reason she will not say it is a lie either.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You just made that up too.

Your fantasy now requires that JLR announced their new models and began taking orders in 2013 for delivery in 2014 but the new feature for which the buyers were paying thousands extra was still just a prototype and the first buyers got unfinished cars with a non-hybrid dashboard and no HEV badging.

I know JLR gets a lot of flak for their quality control and reliability but that's just crazy nonsense. They're selling aspirational cars at high prices and they do not deliver pre-production lashups to customers.

Obviously the "Super Top Secret Prototype Model Do Not Show to Press or Public" and "Deliver to Bob Smith" stickers got mixed up. Still it's better than the 'Illegal backstreet hybrid conversion garage'.

 

[Mojo]

It might have been all about spin for you and the 'management of expectations' of the communications teams on various media.

I couldn't care less about the propaganda, the PR and the 'sensitive' political issues.

That's the difference between you and me.

You have claimed that it was "all about spin ... and the 'management of expectations' of the communications teams on various media", but there has been no evidence of this, or of "'sensitive' political issues", it was just your fantasy.

And you can't recognise propaganda when it's right in front of you, for example when you claimed that a propaganda published by Hermann Goering was an eye-witness account by a Times reporter embedded in the German front lines.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I think Vixen's position is that she has "acknowledged" and "accepted" that the Fire service did state categorically the car was a plain diesel, but she still does not believe that information is true. And yet, for some reason she will not say it is a lie either.

Probably because of her magic spell way of thinking. If she doesn't explicitly say that something is a lie she can continue to claim that she never said that no matter how obvious it is that it's what she's claiming.

If I say that you won't be friends with minorities and order your children not to associate with non white people, but never say the specific phrase "you're a racist", according to Vixen I've never accused you of being racist.

It's how she tries for plausible deniability. She never explicitly said that F&R are lying therefore she's never accused them of lying no matter how many times she says that what they are stating is not true.

Frankly it's bizarre. It's like what a small child would do.

 

[Mojo]

Is Luton Today lying to you?



Nota bene: the 'believed' applies to the electrical fault, not to the car being a diesel.

Also:

The driver used two fire extinguishers in a bid to put the fire out.

This was a fire that should have been extinguished with "a quick squirt of fire hydrant under the bonnet", remember.