Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

[lionking]

Is Trump going to grow a new brain? That is the only thing to avert a catastrophe. He only has to do one single thing, introduce his stupid tariff, to bring on a worldwide recession which will hurt millions. Not him and his rich backers, of course, but the deluded idiots who think tariffs are a good thing.

 

[acbytesla]

There is no guessing needed as to what MAGA intends to do if they take over the government. It's called Project 2025 and they've put it all in writing.

Exactly, Trump ignored judicial orders when he was President. He also ignored legislation which ordered him to support Ukraine. The administration is supposed to heed the courts and the other branches of government. But that only works if the people in the administration obey them. And being loyal to Trump and not the law is dangerous.

 

[ahhell]

Is Trump going to grow a new brain? That is the only thing to avert a catastrophe. He only has to do one single thing, introduce his stupid tariff, to bring on a worldwide recession which will hurt millions. Not him and his rich backers, of course, but the deluded idiots who think tariffs are a good thing.

Good think about tarriffs they are as bad if not worse for the rich as they are for the rest of us.

Exactly, Trump ignored judicial orders when he was President. He also ignored legislation which ordered him to support Ukraine. The administration is supposed to heed the courts and the other branches of government. But that only works if the people in the administration obey them. And being loyal to Trump and not the law is dangerous.

That is the thing, he will have nobody around to say no. I suspect the career bureaucrats will do their best to avoid implementing his....agenda. In the end I bet a bunch will end up resigning. And do I really want the bureaucrats being the folks standing between us and Trump.

In the end I do think he's going to have a hard time getting anything but the tarriffs through and abandoning Ukraine and Tawain.

 

[dudalb]

Even if there is a lot of hyperbole around a Trump win causing the end of democracy, or the end of the United States (period), the issue is that he attempted, for all to see, to cling on to power at almost all costs. The fact that he was very incompetent at doing so does not change the fact that you should NEVER give someone like that another chance.

This. The old saying that the only person safe to pick as the pope is the one who tries to run out of Sistine chapel is he is nominated on the first ballot applies.

 

[dudalb]

I was going to write a long and detailed post explaining why the OP was wrong, but don't have the time. Instead, you can just read my signature line.

I get ridicules around here for saying pretty much just that.

 

[dudalb]

no way trump is well enough to run in 2028 and i don't see how the maga political movement survives without him. maybe jd vance or mike johnson or hulk hogan can razzle dazzle the maga base to keep it going. i just don't see it.

He can't legally run in 2028.
Universal opinion of legal scholars is the two term Constittional limit applies regardless of whether the terms are consecutive or not. Event he current Superme court would rule that way, according to lamost all legal experts.

 

[dudalb]

wouldn't you say he's super easy to manipulate?

Just ask Putin.

 

[dudalb]

Is Trump going to grow a new brain? That is the only thing to avert a catastrophe. He only has to do one single thing, introduce his stupid tariff, to bring on a worldwide recession which will hurt millions. Not him and his rich backers, of course, but the deluded idiots who think tariffs are a good thing.

People forget Trump is STUPID. Even if he fails to do all things he claims to want to do, he can still do huge damage.

 

[dudalb]

It's only nominally independent.



He might scale back some enforcement (and some enforcement needs to be scaled back because it was unconstitutional overreach), but he can't and won't end it. And nothing he can do on this front is irreversible.



He didn't really do that his first term, I don't see this being any different in a second one. He talks a much bigger game than he plays.



Bwahahahahahahaha!

Where have you been for the last few decades? The federal work force is already politicized.



Anti-intellectualism? Or anti-credentialism? Because there are a whole lot of people walking around with fancy credentials who aren't actually competent, but demanding respect anyways.



I've seen this claim made plenty of times, but I never see it backed up with anything substantive. The last estimates I saw gave Trump's net worth dropping while president. If making money was his goal, becoming president (and not taking his salary while doing so) doesn't actually seem like an effective method for doing so.

If actually you're worried about politicians illegitimately profiting from their time in office, I suggest you start looking at closing the insider trading loophole, which Congress regularly benefits from.

I am sure some people in Germany in 1933 said the same thing.
You are just making excuses for voting for an autroratian wannbe dictator.
Interesting you think taking away the indpeence of the Federal Reserve is no big thing.
And I not your hatred of a professional civil service.

 

[dudalb]

That business about gutting the civil service and replacing everyone with loyalists to himself seems pretty bad. The best case scenario from that is just incompetence. More likely kleptocracy and corruption.

Actually, that happend to a degree with every adminsitration change;The SPecial Schedule people go.
Trump is still goning to need a big civil service to get anything accomoplished.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Actually, that happend to a degree with every adminsitration change;The SPecial Schedule people go.
Trump is still goning to need a big civil service to get anything accomoplished.

The threat/promise was to do it to all personnel. Project 2025, that thing he's pinky-promised isn't his plan.

 

[dudalb]

The threat/promise was to do it to all personnel. Project 2025, that thing he's pinky-promised isn't his plan.

Which he probalby can't do from a practical view point.If you purge the upper SES levels, you don;t have to worry about the other ranks. They will pretty much do as they are told.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm hopeful if it happens, (Please don't let it happen, please don't let it happen, please don't let it happen, please don't let it happen. Pleeeeease!)
------that it won't be as bad as I fear. But I'm terrified it will be.

 

[Trebuchet]

He can't legally run in 2028.
Universal opinion of legal scholars is the two term Constittional limit applies regardless of whether the terms are consecutive or not. Event he current Superme court would rule that way, according to lamost all legal experts.

That's only if he wins. He specifically said he wouldn't run again if he loses.

There've been multiple cases of term-limited governors being succeeded by their wives e.g. Lurleen Wallace. It's just a sham for keeping the previous guy in power. Melanie not being a natural born citizen, Trump would probably turn to Junior to keep hold of power.

ETA: Ok, I can't find "multiple cases", but the point still holds.

 

[dudalb]

That's only if he wins. He specifically said he wouldn't run again if he loses.

There've been multiple cases of term-limited governors being succeeded by their wives e.g. Lurleen Wallace. It's just a sham for keeping the previous guy in power. Melanie not being a natural born citizen, Trump would probably turn to Junior to keep hold of power.

If he wins, he cannot legally run again in 2028, period.

 

[ahhell]

He's 78, I'm not really concerned about him retaining power by having his son run for office.

He's driven by his ego, I'm pretty convinced the only reason he's running is to prove he can win.

 

[dudalb]

He's 78, I'm not really concerned about him retaining power by having his son run for office.

He's driven by his ego, I'm pretty convinced the only reason he's running is to prove he can win.

I also think his legal problems are driving him.
And he knows Fredo is not a viable option.
Vance is a sheer opportunist; Trump knows that,a nd you keep hearing rumors he regrets the choice .

 

[Stacyhs]

Gen. Milley believes that Trump is a 'fascist to the core" and will have him court-martialed if he wins re-election.

“He is the most dangerous person ever. I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country,” Milley told Woodward for the book “War,” which was previewed by The Guardian. “A fascist to the core.”


Milley, who was chair under Trump and President Biden, also fears he would be court-martialed should Trump win the presidency next month because the commander in chief has power over retired commissioned officers and can recall them to active duty and court-martial them.

Such a situation is not out of the realm of possibility because Trump has often voiced his desire to take revenge on those who have spoken out against him.

“He is a walking, talking advertisement of what he’s going to try to do,” Milley warned former colleagues, according to Woodward. “He’s saying it and it’s not just him, it’s the people around him.”

Woodward cites Steve Bannon, a former senior Trump adviser, who earlier this year gave a list of people he believes Trump should go after if he is elected to a second term, including Milley, former FBI directors Andrew McCabe and James Comey, former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and former Attorney General Bill Barr.

“We’re gonna hold him accountable,” Bannon says of Milley in the book.

Those claiming Trump won't be more dangerous if re-elected need to face facts. He's told us what he wants to do.

 

[Resume]

He's 78, I'm not really concerned about him retaining power by having his son run for office.

He's driven by his ego, I'm pretty convinced the only reason he's running is to prove he can win.

He is clearly embarrassed to have been beaten by Biden.

 

[arthwollipot]

The suggestion that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as the first is based on the completely unevidenced idea that he has changed.

He hasn't changed. He will never change.