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Merged Strict biological definitions of male/female

I do, but it is a waste of time posting them here, since you have declared yourself to be the sole arbiter of what is and what is not a credible source, and who is and who is not a reputable biologist ... which amounts to....


'any source or biologist I agree with is credible or reputable, while any source or biologist I disagree with is neither.'... which further amounts to

"I am right because I am right"

Horse crap. You don't seem to have a flaming clue that, basically in my view, "reputable biologists" are those who endorse definitions for the sexes based on solid philosophical and epistemological principles. Nor do you have a clue what those principles might be.

A biologist isn't intrinsically reputable just because they have a BS or PhD behind their names -- many of them are promoting the sexes as spectra.

When you manage to find some "biologists" that have solid reasons for alternative definitions for the sexes is when I might consider them. Won't be holding my breath ...
 
Horse crap. You don't seem to have a flaming clue that, basically in my view, "reputable biologists" are those who endorse definitions for the sexes based on solid philosophical and epistemological principles.

Principles that YOU decide are valid; that YOU have set yourself up as judge and jury on. Anyone who sees the utter garbage you dish up on Substack can see that for themselves.


Nor do you have a clue what those principles might be.

Principles that rely totally on your "unique-to-you" interpretation of the present simple tense which you apply in only one context, and incorrectly so, to only one word out of the over 200,000 words in the English language; an interpretation without which your so-called principles collapse like a house of cards.

A biologist isn't intrinsically reputable just because they have a BS or PhD behind their names -- many of them are promoting the sexes as spectra.

Your own principles do a nice job of this. Without them there are only two sexes. All this stems from your fundamental failure to understand how categories work.

Human Sex is a characteristic of humanity, and every human being has that characteristic, without exception. That characteristic (notwithstanding the minuscule - less than 0.018% of humans who have DSDs) has two categories - they are Male (~50.4% of the population) and Female (~49.6% of the population). If you do not suffer from a DSD you MUST be a member of either one category or the other. You CANNOT be a member of neither category. That is flat out impossible both scientifically and biologically.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, dice it, twist yourself into a pretzel it or outright lie about it the way you do, the FACT is that rendering 1/3 of the population neither male nor female creates a third category, sexless - and that makes your flawed ideas closer to the "sex-is-a-spectrum" argument than the "sex-is-binary" argument.

When you manage to find some "biologists" that have solid reasons for alternative definitions for the sexes is when I might consider them. Won't be holding my breath ...

Firstly, YOUR definitions are the alternative ones to those which most biologists use. Pretty much the only "biologists" in the world who seem to agree with you are actually philosophers - PZ Myers and Jeremy Griffith. Most others do not agree, and have issues with them too.

Besides, everyone here knows that no matter how solid and convincing are the opinions we bring from any actual biologists, you will dismiss them if you disagree. How do we know? Because we already have, and you already did. You will never accept any other view than your own so long as your basic understanding of the English language is so fundamentally flawed.
 
Principles that YOU decide are valid; that YOU have set yourself up as judge and jury on. Anyone who sees the utter garbage you dish up on Substack can see that for themselves. ...

Principles that rely totally on your "unique-to-you" interpretation of the present simple tense which you apply in only one context, and incorrectly so, to only one word out of the over 200,000 words in the English language; an interpretation without which your so-called principles collapse like a house of cards. ....

Your own principles do a nice job of this. Without them there are only two sexes. All this stems from your fundamental failure to understand how categories work.

Human Sex is a characteristic of humanity, and every human being has that characteristic, without exception. That characteristic (notwithstanding the minuscule - less than 0.018% of humans who have DSDs) has two categories - they are Male (~50.4% of the population) and Female (~49.6% of the population). If you do not suffer from a DSD you MUST be a member of either one category or the other. You CANNOT be a member of neither category. That is flat out impossible both scientifically and biologically.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, dice it, twist yourself into a pretzel it or outright lie about it the way you do, the FACT is that rendering 1/3 of the population neither male nor female creates a third category, sexless - and that makes your flawed ideas closer to the "sex-is-a-spectrum" argument than the "sex-is-binary" argument.

Firstly, YOUR definitions are the alternative ones to those which most biologists use. Pretty much the only "biologists" in the world who seem to agree with you are actually philosophers - PZ Myers and Jeremy Griffith. Most others do not agree, and have issues with them too.

Besides, everyone here knows that no matter how solid and convincing are the opinions we bring from any actual biologists, you will dismiss them if you disagree. How do we know? Because we already have, and you already did. You will never accept any other view than your own so long as your basic understanding of the English language is so fundamentally flawed.
LoL. ROTFL. ... :rolleyes:

You remind me of passage from Kurt Andersen's Atlantic article How America Lost Its Mind:

A year later, The Colbert Report went on the air. In the first few minutes of the first episode, Stephen Colbert, playing his right-wing-populist commentator character, performed a feature called “The Word.” His first selection: truthiness. “Now, I’m sure some of the ‘word police,’ the ‘wordinistas’ over at Webster’s, are gonna say, ‘Hey, that’s not a word!’ Well, anybody who knows me knows that I’m no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They’re elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn’t true. Or what did or didn’t happen. Who’s Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I wanna say it happened in 1941, that’s my right. I don’t trust books—they’re all fact, no heart … Face it, folks, we are a divided nation … divided between those who think with their head and those who know with their heart … Because that’s where the truth comes from, ladies and gentlemen—the gut.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/assets/media/files/theatlantic20170901_compressed.pdf

It's your "gut" that's telling you "muh humanity!" :rolleyes: That someone can't possibly be in a "neither" category, whether of religion or of sex. All of your motivated "reasoning" follows from that butthurt.

There are solid philosophical and epistemological reasons -- ubiquitous through much of biology -- for those biological definitions. Which you're too pigheadedly clueless to even try comprehending and wrapping your head around. Reasons which inform and motivate much of biology, notably in the fairly large body of scholarship about sequential hermaphrodites -- they CHANGE sex BECAUSE they change the type of gamete that is CURRENTLY being PRODUCED. It's a further principle of biology that such definitions HAVE to be applicable to ALL anisogamous species, NO exceptions.
 
First, my apologies to many of the regulars for repeating a good bit of what I've said in other threads (& a good bit of what's been said in this thread). I was a research biologist for close to 30 years (about 23 years of that post PhD), and then transitioned to clinical genetics a bit over 5 years ago. My research foci in academia were centered around (eutherian) mammalian genetics and included evolution/comparative biology, epigenetics and developmental/ reproductive biology. During grad school I got interested in comparative mechanisms of sex determination in amniote (mammals, birds, reptiles) vertebrates and did a mock thesis proposal on this topic. I've periodically revisited the literature on that topic.

When I ran my own lab, research involved genes whose expression varies depending on whether they are transmitted via maternally vs paternally as well as a number of areas that involved differential phenotypic effects in males vs females. I went to many local, national and international meetings (including those focused on developmental and reproductive biology in mammals), went to and gave many seminars, and taught (among other things) developmental biology to grad students.

The point of that background is that over that time, I've been involved in many conversations with thousands of biologists and/or students where sex was an important variable and/or directly the subject of the topic. We used - either implicitly or explicitly - what a recent review by the society of endocrinologists (that unfortunately cowtowed to the recent gender ideology a bit) called the "classic" definition - namely which gamete type the individual/body in question was functionally organized around producing/delivering (which includes pre- & post-fertile individuals). Over all that time and all those interactions, I never heard any discussions about how we should define the sexes, that the definition we were using was wanting and/or confusion about what we meant by female and male.

That is, of course, until recently. I first noted some folks on "sci-twitter" (people who had mutual connections with scientists I knew or institutions where I'd been) claiming that sex was a spectrum/ not a binary in during downtime in the first year of the pandemic (the biologists involved were mostly not repro/devo/evo types). I initially engaged a bit (had some interactions with Emma Hilton) and was told that stating that sex is binary is seen as a "transphobic dogwhistle". Those social media arguments and most of the recent papers referenced explicitly appeal to social justice/inclusivity in their critiques (i.e. rather than functional issue with the definition).

If you're appealing to human-only social issues you're inherently getting it wrong: Note that there is a lot of evidence that male and female in humans correspond to what we call those sexes in other mammals and beyond. Therefore, any definition of female and male must work cross-species (at least across groups where there it seems clear that the two sexes are homologous rather than just analogous) - The gonad/gamete type is the only definition I've heard that works in that regard (& I'd argue the only definition that matters in the bigger picture) and it has had great utility.

As others have noted, there may differences between clades/phylogenetic groups in applying in those terms, particularly at different life stages. For example, it doesn't make much sense to label an embryo as male/female in species with environmental sex-determination (at least before that determinant is in place/the primordial germ cells are specified). And of course there are vertebrates that can change sex as well as those that can reproduce asexually. However, no eutherian mammal can change sex, parthenogenesis is precluded due to differential marking of genes in oogenesis vs spermatogenesis, and there are no species with a class of functional hermaphrodites.
While there are some core conserved players in sex determination pathway within vertebrates (with some modifications in eutherians) there is significant variation and it's unclear (to me at least) whether sex in non-vertebrate groups is homologous - reviews 1 & 2

Please note that people with disorders of sexual development (DSDs) do not indicate additional sexes or that ‘sex is a spectrum’. It's some serious cherry-picking to apply the 'defects are exceptions' criterion to sex and not other characteristics or species. Humans have 46 chromosomes, 5 digits per limb, like other primates are visually oriented, have a well-developed pre-frontal cortex, etc. However, there are pathogenic mutations (or accidents) that can alter any of these (or virtually any) characteristics in an individual. And I suspect if I was reporting on white-footed mice with indeterminate gonads who lived near a superfund site, no one would be calling sex a spectrum in that species.

Individual eutherian mammals develop along one of the two reproductive pathways. Those pathways get disrupted in some cases (via deleterious mutation in key genes or other insult that results in altered gene expression), but with modern methods, I'm not aware of any cases that defy classification (i.e. in which we can't tell whether the individual would have developed to produce oocytes vs sperm). But - if there were such cases - these individuals would be incapable of reproduction and therefore not relevant to the definition of a reproductive method and its relevant classes. Put another way, to disprove the sex binary, you'd have to show that there is a class of individuals who reproduce without producing one of the two established gamete types.

I point all this out because the internet is now rampant with (what seem to be) politically motivated arguments about defining sex. I am concerned this phenomenon is contributing to erosion of public trust in science. As someone who is left-leaning on most issues, I'm also dismayed to see that much of the mis-information is coming from that side, and I suspect this will have negative ramifications. For example, it's harder to convince people of the effects of climate change and our impacts on the environment when you also can't define a woman or claim that Rachel Levine is the " first female four-star Admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service" (United States).
 
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First, my apologies to many of the regulars for repeating a good bit of what I've said in other threads (& a good bit of what's been said in this thread). I was a research biologist for close to 30 years (about 23 years of that post PhD), and then transitioned to clinical genetics a bit over 5 years ago. My research foci in academia were centered around (eutherian) mammalian genetics and included evolution/comparative biology, epigenetics and developmental/ reproductive biology. During grad school I got interested in comparative mechanisms of sex determination in amniote (mammals, birds, reptiles) vertebrates and did a mock thesis proposal on this topic. I've periodically revisited the literature on that topic.

When I ran my own lab, research involved genes whose expression varies depending on whether they are transmitted via maternally vs paternally as well as a number of areas that involved differential phenotypic effects in males vs females. I went to many local, national and international meetings (including those focused on developmental and reproductive biology in mammals), went to and gave many seminars, and taught (among other things) developmental biology to grad students.

The point of that background is that over that time, I've been involved in many conversations with thousands of biologists and/or students where sex was an important variable and/or directly the subject of the topic. We used - either implicitly or explicitly - what a recent review by the society of endocrinologists (that unfortunately cowtowed to the recent gender ideology a bit) called the "classic" definition - namely which gamete type the individual/body in question was functionally organized around producing/delivering (which includes pre- & post-fertile individuals). Over all that time and all those interactions, I never heard any discussions about how we should define the sexes, that the definition we were using was wanting and/or confusion about what we meant by female and male.

That is, of course, until recently. I first noted some folks on "sci-twitter" (people who had mutual connections with scientists I knew or institutions where I'd been) claiming that sex was a spectrum/ not a binary in during downtime in the first year of the pandemic (the biologists involved were mostly not repro/devo/evo types). I initially engaged a bit (had some interactions with Emma Hilton) and was told that stating that sex is binary is seen as a "transphobic dogwhistle". Those social media arguments and most of the recent papers referenced explicitly appeal to social justice/inclusivity in their critiques (i.e. rather than functional issue with the definition).

<snipped to address separately in another post>

As others have noted, there may differences between clades/phylogenetic groups in applying in those terms, particularly at different life stages. For example, it doesn't make much sense to label an embryo as male/female in species with environmental sex-determination (at least before that determinant is in place/the primordial germ cells are specified). And of course there are vertebrates that can change sex as well as those that can reproduce asexually. However, no eutherian mammal can change sex, parthenogenesis is precluded due to differential marking of genes in oogenesis vs spermatogenesis, and there are no species with a class of functional hermaphrodites.
While there are some core conserved players in sex determination pathway within vertebrates (with some modifications in eutherians) there is significant variation and it's unclear (to me at least) whether sex in non-vertebrate groups is homologous - reviews 1 & 2

Please note that people with disorders of sexual development (DSDs) do not indicate additional sexes or that ‘sex is a spectrum’. It's some serious cherry-picking to apply the 'defects are exceptions' criterion to sex and not other characteristics or species. Humans have 46 chromosomes, 5 digits per limb, like other primates are visually oriented, have a well-developed pre-frontal cortex, etc. However, there are pathogenic mutations (or accidents) that can alter any of these (or virtually any) characteristics in an individual. And I suspect if I was reporting on white-footed mice with indeterminate gonads who lived near a superfund site, no one would be calling sex a spectrum in that species.

Individual eutherian mammals develop along one of the two reproductive pathways. Those pathways get disrupted in some cases (via deleterious mutation in key genes or other insult that results in altered gene expression), but with modern methods, I'm not aware of any cases that defy classification (i.e. in which we can't tell whether the individual would have developed to produce oocytes vs sperm). But - if there were such cases - these individuals would be incapable of reproduction and therefore not relevant to the definition of a reproductive method and its relevant classes. Put another way, to disprove the sex binary, you'd have to show that there is a class of individuals who reproduce without producing one of the two established gamete types.

I point all this out because the internet is now rampant with (what seem to be) politically motivated arguments about defining sex. I am concerned this phenomenon is contributing to erosion of public trust in science. As someone who is left-leaning on most issues, I'm also dismayed to see that much of the mis-information is coming from that side, and I suspect this will have negative ramifications. For example, it's harder to convince people of the effects of climate change and our impacts on the environment when you also can't define a woman or claim that Rachel Levine is the " first female four-star Admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service" (United States).


I have questions for which I require straight, YES or NO answers. You earn the right to explain your answers only after you have answered YES or NO.

NO hedging
NO equivocation

Question 1: In your opinion, are pre-pubescent humans sexless and therefore neither male nor female?

Question 2: In your opinion, are post-menopausal women sexless and therefore not females?
 
If you're appealing to human-only social issues you're inherently getting it wrong: Note that there is a lot of evidence that male and female in humans correspond to what we call those sexes in other mammals and beyond. Therefore, any definition of female and male must work cross-species (at least across groups where there it seems clear that the two sexes are homologous rather than just analogous) - The gonad/gamete type is the only definition I've heard that works in that regard (& I'd argue the only definition that matters in the bigger picture) and it has had great utility.

And if humans is the only thing you are interested in and you don't give a fat rat's arse about clownfish or alligators or any other species?
 
I have questions for which I require straight, YES or NO answers. You earn the right to explain your answers only after you have answered YES or NO.

NO hedging
NO equivocation

Question 1: In your opinion, are pre-pubescent humans sexless and therefore neither male nor female?

Question 2: In your opinion, are post-menopausal women sexless and therefore not females?

No to both (i.e. we can tell what sex children are, and post-menopausal women are still female - never met a biologist who thought otherwise) - thought that was clear from the definition in my post, but realize it was quite wordy.


ETA - this applies to other species as well
 
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No to both (i.e. we can tell what sex children are, and post-menopausal women are still female - never met a biologist who thought otherwise) - thought that was clear from the definition in my post, but realize it was quite wordy.


ETA - this applies to other species as well

Well, hang around here for a while mate, we have a poster (Steersman) who claims otherwise. He references PZ Myers and Jeremy Griffiths (who are NOT biologists, but philosophers) as supporting his view.

He claims the word "produces" in the definition as in "produces large gametes" is exclusively in the present tense, which means that a person/animal/whatever must actually be producing gametes at the time you examine them, otherwise they are sexless. This gives rise to some utterly ludicrous results such as...

The following are sexless (neither male nor female)

pre-pubescent humans
post menopausal women
men who have undergone a vasectomy
women on the pill
women who are using an IUD
Pregnant women

and many more. :jaw-dropp
 
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Well, hang around here for a while mate, we have a poster (Steersman) who claims otherwise. He references PZ Myers and Jeremy Griffiths (who are NOT biologists, but philosophers) as supporting his view.

He claims the word "produces" in the definition as in "produces large gametes" is exclusively in the present tense, which means that a person/animal/whatever must actually be producing gametes at the time you examine them, otherwise they are sexless. This gives rise to some utterly ludicrous results such as...

The following are sexless (neither male nor female)

pre-pubescent humans
post menopausal women
men who have undergone a vasectomy
women on the pill
women who are using an IUD
Pregnant women

and many more. :jaw-dropp
:boggled:
I've seen some of the posts. Glad you, Paul2, Hans et al have been calling out those issues. I still find myself wondering how we got here (to mainstream publications trying to change the definition). A combination of wish fulfillment /social justice warrior types gone too far and young biologists that are mostly trained in computer analyses of vast amounts of DNA sequence data but not so much else?
 
:boggled:
I've seen some of the posts. Glad you, Paul2, Hans et al have been calling out those issues. I still find myself wondering how we got here (to mainstream publications trying to change the definition). A combination of wish fulfillment /social justice warrior types gone too far and young biologists that are mostly trained in computer analyses of vast amounts of DNA sequence data but not so much else?
One vintage here has a nose with traces of contrarianism combined with a finish of disrespect.

Good luck, you're gonna need it.
 
I was going to post something, but I see it was addressed already.
 
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And if humans is the only thing you are interested in and you don't give a fat rat's arse about clownfish or alligators or any other species?

Sorry - missed this post yesterday. I'm not sure what you mean here, but will take a stab. So - I'm inferring you didn't pick those two other species randomly. Certainly the evidence points to a common ancestor of all three with two sexes that correspond to the current female and male in all of them (meaning the same general definition needs to apply). That being said, there are of course major differences in these groups - e.g. in how sex is determined, whether sex is fixed, whether sex is the only means of reproduction, relative cost to females). I've certainly seen people conflate species/groups characteristics and imply that this somehow weakens the definition (though they're never explicit how).


ETA - I've only heard biologists use terms like "chromosomal sex" (which is a bit sloppy) when they're talking about a discrepancy with actual sex or there's some reason to suspect there might be. At some of the meetings I've been to we've discussed male vs female hydatidiform moles, which are conceptuses that lack embryonic structures - only composed of extra-embryonic tissues (those that give rise to the placenta)
 
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Sorry - missed this post yesterday. I'm not sure what you mean here, but will take \\a stab. So - I'm inferring you didn't pick those two other species randomly.

It was a response to your remark that "If you're appealing to human-only social issues you're inherently getting it wrong"

And no, I didn't pick them at random.I picked them because Steersman keeps trying to beat everyone over the head with them (and failing) because he thinks the way their sex is determined (clownfish can change sex due to group social environmental conditions and alligator/crocodile sex is determined by physical environmental conditions during incubation) supports his view that gametes cannot be used to determine human sex because they only actually have a determinable sex when they are producing gametes at the moment you are examining them. He then argues that you cannot have a separate definition of sex in humans. Of course, he is completely wrong in all of this.

This whole thread came about because of a debate about human sex definitions; determinations with a social purpose, not a scientific one, so the sex determination of other species have no relevance here.

When/if Steersman eventually returns to this thread (I think he's been temporarily scared off by the prospect of having to debate a real biologist) you can expect the following "broken record" stuff...

1. Your post will be declared "horse feathers"or "horse crap" and "your entirely unevidenced opinion".

2. You will be labelled a "folk biologist", and told that you "don't have a flaming clue".

3. He will restate his claim that post-menopausal women are not females, therefore they are sexless, and that pre-pubescent humans are neither male nor female, therefore sexless.

4. It will be inferred that biologists with degrees are less scholarly than philosophers.

5. He will post links to the same old stuff he has posted before with reference to philosophers Myers and Griffiths.

6. He will post screenshots of dictionary definitions from five years ago (one wonders why he can't find more recent definitions :boggled: ).

7. If your opinion differs from his, you are wrong. If your linked sources say things he disagrees with, they are wrong. The only valid sources of evidence and information are those ones he agrees with.

These are his patterns - repeated endlessly through the 1600+ posts in the last 2+ years since this thread started.
 
3. He will restate his claim that post-menopausal women are not females, therefore they are sexless

If I accepted Steersman's argument, I would end up being extremely confused about what sex I am right now. I'm perimenopausal... and I skipped three periods recently, then had a 10-day period that just ended. There's a pretty good chance that I'll skip a few more periods, but have another couple of periods before it all finally winds down.

So... was I sexless for a few months and then suddenly turned back into a female human for a month? :confused:
 
If I accepted Steersman's argument, I would end up being extremely confused about what sex I am right now. I'm perimenopausal... and I skipped three periods recently, then had a 10-day period that just ended. There's a pretty good chance that I'll skip a few more periods, but have another couple of periods before it all finally winds down.

So... was I sexless for a few months and then suddenly turned back into a female human for a month? :confused:
Schrödinger’s sex?
 
No to both (i.e. we can tell what sex children are, and post-menopausal women are still female - never met a biologist who thought otherwise) - thought that was clear from the definition in my post, but realize it was quite wordy.


ETA - this applies to other species as well

Nope. See PZ Myers:



And biologist -- emeritus -- Jerry Coyne has reasonably argued that most of the intersex are neither male nor female:

Those 1/6000 individuals are intersexes, neither male nor female.

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023...-and-gender-are-not-binaries/#comment-2048737

And a trio of reputable biologists writing in the Wiley Online Library underline the same point: if not "reproductively competent" -- i.e., producing gametes on a regular basis (sorry Emily) -- then no sex:

For instance, a mammalian embryo with heterozygous sex chromosomes (XY-setup) is not reproductively competent, as it does not produce gametes of any size. Thus, strictly speaking it does not have any biological sex, YET. [my emphasis].

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/bies.202200173
 
....

The point of that background is that over that time, I've been involved in many conversations with thousands of biologists and/or students where sex was an important variable and/or directly the subject of the topic. We used - either implicitly or explicitly - what a recent review by the society of endocrinologists (that unfortunately kowtowed to the recent gender ideology a bit) called the "classic" definition - namely which gamete type the individual/body in question was functionally organized around producing/delivering (which includes pre- & post-fertile individuals).

Absolutely no reputable biological journal, dictionary, or encyclopedia says anything of the sort. For examples, see the Oxford Dictionary of Biology:

https://twitter.com/pwkilleen/status/1039879009407037441



And the Glossary in an article in the Oxford Journal of Molecular Human Reproduction -- co-authored by Geoff Parker who has an FRS to his name:
https://academic.oup.com/molehr/article/20/12/1161/1062990



.... Therefore, any definition of female and male must work cross-species (at least across groups where there it seems clear that the two sexes are homologous rather than just analogous) - The gonad/gamete type is the only definition I've heard that works in that regard (& I'd argue the only definition that matters in the bigger picture) and it has had great utility.

Exactly right. You might have some interest in a paper by Paul Griffiths on What are biological sexes?, and his quotes of evolutionary biologist, and transwoman, Joan Roughgarden:

To a biologist, “male” means making small gametes, and “female” means making large gametes. Period!” (Roughgarden 2013, 23)

But no general definition of sexes can rely on these features because, as Roughgarden puts it, "the criteria for classifying an organism as male or female have to work with worms to whales, with red seaweed to redwood trees.” (Roughgarden 2013, 23)

https://philpapers.org/archive/GRIWAB-2.pdf

.... I point all this out because the internet is now rampant with (what seem to be) politically motivated arguments about defining sex. I am concerned this phenomenon is contributing to erosion of public trust in science.

Indeed. You in particular might have some interest in my open letter to the erstwhile reputable journal Cell which had asked, apparently in all seriousness, "Is 'sex' a useful category?":

https://humanuseofhumanbeings.substack.com/p/is-sex-a-useful-category

As someone who is left-leaning on most issues, I'm also dismayed to see that much of the mis-information is coming from that side, and I suspect this will have negative ramifications. For example, it's harder to convince people of the effects of climate change and our impacts on the environment when you also can't define a woman or claim that Rachel Levine is the "first female four-star Admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service" (United States).

Barking mad, ain't they?

Harris was recently quoted gushing over transwoman/male-transvestite/sexless-eunuch Dylan Mulvaney "living authentically as a woman".

Don't think Harris or the Democrats in general have a flaming clue about the fundamental and quite crucial difference between males and females. Which plays out in the travesty of Title IX and men in women's sports. And in the medical scandal of "gender-affirming care".

At least Trump seems to know what to expect when he "grabs" someone, so to speak ...
 
If I accepted Steersman's argument, I would end up being extremely confused about what sex I am right now. I'm perimenopausal... and I skipped three periods recently, then had a 10-day period that just ended. There's a pretty good chance that I'll skip a few more periods, but have another couple of periods before it all finally winds down.

So... was I sexless for a few months and then suddenly turned back into a female human for a month? :confused:

You -- and too many others -- are still trying to turn the sexes into identities -- "muh humanity! :rolleyes:" -- instead of recognizing that, biologically speaking at least, "male" and "female" are JUST labels for transitory reproductive abilities.

I don’t find being wrong or challenged an attack on my essence. That doesn’t mean I have to play along with what I find contemptible. You might as well say because I don’t have two legs I can’t be human. I haven’t removed your comments or censored you. Speak as you will: others may read and comment as they wish. My time however is precious and I will spend no more of it with you.

You might note that Sarah subsequently did remove all of my comments and banned me from her Substack -- and probably for the next 99 years to boot ... :rolleyes:

https://sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/my-first-space-how-did-it-go/comment/39281981
 
Nope. See PZ Myers: <irrelevant bollocks snipped>

Wrong

Absolutely no reputable biological journal, dictionary, or encyclopedia says anything of the sort.
<irrelevant bollocks snipped>

Wrong

<irrelevant bollocks snipped>

You might note that Sarah subsequently did remove all of my comments and banned me from her Substack -- and probably for the next 99 years to boot ... :rolleyes:

https://sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/my-first-space-how-did-it-go/comment/39281981


Good. You thoroughly deserved it!
 

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