Split Thread Trans ideology causes school shootings

[Craig4]

I would never visit a brutal character assassination like that on you or any other member.

Try not deserving it.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

 

[Axxman300]

The root of every conspiracy theory is the need to advance an ideology by replacing the true cause/villain so they can replace them with their own bogey man. We see it with JFK where who the true killer(s) were are dependent on the CTist's world view. Same with 9-11, and every CT ever.

School shooting happen enough to form a basic frame-work:

Depression/Anger at the world/Unhappy with position in life.
Abusive/Creative/Substandard parenting/Unbalanced home life.
Easy access to high powered weapons.

This is just my untrained layman observation, but the fact is that since Columbine school shootings have become a thing. The go-to response of young people in a "Monkey-See - Monkey-Do" phase of their lives.

I, and I assume a few other posting on this thread had a rough childhood, and we bullied all through school because of our social awkwardness. I was born in the early 1960s, and finished high school in the early 1980s. The idea of taking a gun to school to settle a score was an unacceptable option for me and my peers. To shoot the bully or perceived bullies in your life would justify their beliefs about you. You either took it, or you settled it at an appointed place and time after school with your fists, and let the chips fall where they may.

But Columbine changed all that.

That attack has been embraced by most of the shooters who'd follow. And it's based on a lie that the killers had been bullied at school. The fact is one was a sadist, and the other was emotionally weak. And in a way they formed the mold for the standard school-shooter. Young teenage boys looking to go out in a big way, and make an indelible mark on their immediate world. This has been taken to the extreme where some shootings have happened where the killer either did not attend, or hadn't been a student for years. Schools now top the list for every screwed up young man looking to go out with a bang.

I don't pretend to think I grasp the whole picture, and I certainly don't have any solutions to this issue. But we will never get handle on this if we allow crazy conspiracy theories to divert us, or force reasonable people to disengage.

Side Note: When I was in high school we'd hear stories about stabbings at other larger high schools. And the rumor back then was saltpeter was making kids violent. Obviously this was false, but some parents refused to let their kids eat at the cafeteria. This Trans BS is just the latest stupidity.

 

[Samson]

As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.

 

[catsmate]

As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.

Transphobic rubbish.

 

[Samson]

Transphobic rubbish.

I am suggesting that the trans cult driven into schools by Obama/Biden/Harris should be banned at every level of education.
This is not controversial in polling amongst the proletariat/plebescite in Western countries.

 

[HansMustermann]

@Axxman300 (and partially Samson)
Sad to say, the first proper school shooting in the USA was in 1840, when a student shot a professor. Proper as in actually done by a student there, and not by some other berks attacking the school. And it continued ever since.

Most of the difference until much later in the 19th century was that you had at most 1 dead. Presumably because nobody stood around to watch what happens when you finish reloading a flintlock pistol.

(Which kinda illustrates the point some of us have been making, that the compromise in 2A has changed dramatically since the 18th century.)

Columbine and the publicity it had, did cause a bunch of copycats. Call it the Herostratus effect, if you will, after the guy who burned down a temple in 356 BC just to become famous and not be forgotten. This time anyone with a grievance in school now knew how to get all over the media.

But I'd say that if you look at the bigger picture, Columbine itself may have been a case of that effect. Workplace shootings, e.g., in the postal service, had been front page in the media for years at that point. Even the phrase "going postal" was already mainstream for years by the time of Columbine. So I'd say even they at most borrowed the idea.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.

Absolute gibberish. You're just spouting off transphobic boilerplate now.

Why don't you deal with the fact he's one of yours?

 

[Samson]

Absolute gibberish. You're just spouting off transphobic boilerplate now.

Why don't you deal with the fact he's one of yours?

I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.

And still no hint of a tad of a smidge of an explanation of how we get from "trans" anything to shooting up a school with an AR-15...

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain

As Leonard Cohen also said.

I mean, we could trade Cohen lyrics (or paraphrases of Warren Zevon lyrics) or whoever all day.

I'll even throw you one from REM: It's so much more attractive inside the moral kiosk.

None of which answers the question asked.

 

[HansMustermann]

I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.

Wait, wait... this is getting even more disconnected. Now not only it's that some guy who wasn't trans, shooting some kids who also weren't, it's even the state that becomes a red herring. As in, what, because (in your mind) it's a problem in liberal California, he shot some kids in mostly conservative Georgia?

 

[Samson]

And still no hint of a tad of a smidge of an explanation of how we get from "trans" anything to shooting up a school with an AR-15...

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain

As Leonard Cohen also said.

I mean, we could trade Cohen lyrics (or paraphrases of Warren Zevon lyrics) or whoever all day.

I'll even throw you one from REM: It's so much more attractive inside the moral kiosk.

None of which answers the question asked.

King, I know you are coal face, but I am also determined that there should be no more damage.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.

No it isn't. That is not what this thread is about.

This thread was split because your obsession with trans rights led you to accuse Colt of having done this because trans people were not accepted. This wasn't true. Deal with the fact you were wrong and that this had nothing to do with trans people.

 

[Samson]

Wait, wait... this is getting even more disconnected. Now not only it's that some guy who wasn't trans, shooting some kids who also weren't, it's even the state that becomes a red herring. As in, what, because (in your mind) it's a problem in liberal California, he shot some kids in mostly conservative Georgia?

I just read the whole thread from start to finish.
It was not 2 minutes of hate prescribed in 1984.
It was international hate including a countryman.
I will persevere with my proposition that transing children is wrong forever.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

King, I know you are coal face, but I am also determined that there should be no more damage.

Your understanding of trans rights and gender affirming care is completely zero though.

Everything you claim about it is absolutely wrong. You keep repeating the lie that children are being sterilised because the gender affirming hormone treatment is similar to what is known as chemical castration. I've pointed out to you on multiple occasions that not only is it not the same treatment as cc, but that chemical castration isn't actually castration and doesn't render someone sterilised. You just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

At this point your rabid transphobia has become your entire personality. You only listen to people who you already agree with even if they're lunatics, actual nazis or just straight up lying to you and you never, ever actually support your position. You're just screaming into the void because noone could possibly take you seriously. People keep trying to explain yo you that you're wrong and why you're wrong and you just ignore them.

It's frankly pathetic.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I just read the whole thread from start to finish.
It was not 2 minutes of hate prescribed in 1984.
It was international hate including a countryman.
I will persevere with my proposition that transing children is wrong forever.

This isn't a response to the post you quoted. It doesn't address any of the substance of Hans' point. The first two sentences are disconnected word salad gibberish and the final sentence is just you saying you are a transphobe and will continue to be one.

You don't make sense samson. Your posts are wildly disconnected nonsense that only you understand. Maybe try to be comprehensible to other people next time?

 

[Samson]

This isn't a response to the post you quoted. It doesn't address any of the substance of Hans' point. The first two sentences are disconnected word salad gibberish and the final sentence is just you saying you are a transphobe and will continue to be one.

You don't make sense samson. Your posts are wildly disconnected nonsense that only you understand. Maybe try to be comprehensible to other people next time?

Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.

 

[Darat]

Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.

No this thread is driven by the lies you made.

 

[Samson]

No this thread is driven by the lies you made.

Which lie?

 

[HansMustermann]

Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.

Even if one agrees to the first sentence for the scope of this exercise, the second is still false. You've been driving it by claiming that it's what made this shooting happen, but you haven't actually shown any valid logical connection.