General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory

[Nessie]

As Nessie points out, it is not a precedent as it is based on the measures doled out for the 2011 rioters. There is going to be an early release scheme for prisoners serving less than four years, so most will have their sentences cut by 40% anyway. It is more to stop the bullies rioters in their tracks if they know they will be banged up even if they plead not guilty and can wait for up to six months on remand until a trial. Imagine how scary it must have been for those trapped inside the mosques and the asylum-seeker hotels. Also the fifty cops who ended up in hospital, having paving slabs and masonry thrown at them, being spat at and threatened. It is amazing no-one was killed.

No one was killed, in a large part because of UK police tactics of absorbing rioters actions and not fighting back with any great force or weaponry. Instead of being praised, the police get called woke and weak.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yesterday the Mail Online Twitter account was using the image of the Muslim security guard who disarmed the attacker in Leicester above the caption "KNIFED AT RANDOM. Leicester Square Knifeman who stabbed mother and daughter, 11, did not know them, police believe"

 

[ponderingturtle]

No one was killed, in a large part because of UK police tactics of absorbing rioters actions and not fighting back with any great force or weaponry. Instead of being praised, the police get called woke and weak.

Well to be fair the police probably feel a lot of sympathy with the rioters so they of course are going easy on them.

 

[Lothian]

Well to be fair the police probably feel a lot of sympathy with the rioters so they of course are going easy on them.

Certainly, as with any large organisation, there will be individuals with extremist views but I doubt many police had much sympathy with rioters looting shops and throwing bricks at police as a show of respect to grieving parents.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well to be fair the police probably feel a lot of sympathy with the rioters so they of course are going easy on them.

I'm sure they have a lot of sympathy with the people trying to kill them.

 

[jeremyp]

Well to be fair the police probably feel a lot of sympathy with the rioters so they of course are going easy on them.

Did you see the photo upthread of the woman who fell over trying to push a burning wheelybin into the police line? Did you notice anything about the policeman standing over her. He probably doesn't have much sympathy for right wing white supremacists.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I'm sure they have a lot of sympathy with the people trying to kill them.

Many of the clips I've seen suggest the rioters were trying to kill themselves or each other.

Final score

Bricks: 3

Balls: 0 (now)

 

[Vixen]

I wonder how this guy managed to get caught..? Answers on a postcard, please.

Shameless Hull rioter 'offered to sign his autograph in prison after boasting that he was famous'
John Honey was one of the most notorious looters seen on social media during the violence

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It was claimed that he showed "no remorse" and that he went to Greggs for a drink because the police pepper spray made him thirsty. His antics became widely featured on social media videos.

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Honey, 25, of Park Grove, off Princes Avenue, west Hull, admitted six offences, including three of burglary that featured a break-in at the Lush shop in Jameson Street, involving stealing bath and cosmetic products, as well as raids on the nearby Shoezone and O2 shops, both with intent to steal, on August 3.

He also admitted offences of violent disorder, racially aggravated criminal damage to a BMW and causing criminal damage to nine vehicles, including a Ford C-Max, a Renault Clio, a VW Passat, a Jeep, a Seat Leon, a BMW 520d, an Audi A4, a Chevrolet and a Skoda Octavia.

Honey was also involved in the road blocks, where groups of yobs demanded to know whether the driver was English and if not, had their windscreens smashed.

...as well as one in which three men in a BMW car were confronted by between 100 and 200 males. Honey kicked out at the car and pulled at the door.

Threats to kill the three European men were made and there were shouts of "Get them all out." Honey made no physical contact with the three men, who managed to flee from the car towards the police and the Royal Hotel. Serious fear was caused to the men.

Honey had previous convictions, including possessing knives.

Hull Daily Mail

Behaviour normalised by Space Karen, Tommy Robinson, the previous government and the tabloids.

John Honey will be going away for a long time but he is not just a moron hooligan. These riots were well organised and planned by sinister people with political aims to destabilise democracy, disguised as 'enough is enough' or 'save our kids'.

The other big social issue of the day also revolves around the random Southport and the Leicester Square stabbings, as well as the crossbow killer of a mother and two young women, Sarah Everard and the Bondi shopping mall killer, insofar, how did it ever become so common place for random guys to think it acceptable to take out their frustrations on innocent girls and women and take out their lives. Being an incel or being jilted is simply not a good enough explanation. Two urgent social issues the current government needs to address.

 

[dudalb]

Certainly, as with any large organisation, there will be individuals with extremist views but I doubt many police had much sympathy with rioters looting shops and throwing bricks at police as a show of respect to grieving parents.

A lot of people here just plain hate the police, if you have not noticied.

 

[junkshop]

A lot of people here just plain hate the police, if you have not noticied.

Which here are you talking about?


ETA: Sorry, that read more aggressive than intended, but the question stands - could you be more specific about what you mean when you say 'here'?

Are you talking geographically, or referring to this site?

 

[Lothian]

Meanwhile at Truss Watch

 

[Mojo]

Has her claim that "that's not funny" been fact-checked?

 

[Lothian]

Has her claim that "that's not funny" been fact-checked?

I assumed her comment was about her crashing the economy and it was a moment of self realisation about the damage she caused. How naive of me.

 

[Aber]

The precedent for rioting is always been that the courts treat it as just about the most serious crime anyone can commit. Mass violence against the state has always resulted in severe consequences. When it is considered bad enough, the state will deploy the army, most recently in Northern Ireland.

All the people who are acting surprised about what is happening to rioters in court, clearly do not remember 2011, or 1981, or any other riots.

Sentencing Guidelines for rioting are that the person will go to prison. Hence, no bail.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/riot/

From your link

The court must consider whether to give credit for time spent on bail

which implies those charged with Riot can be bailed.

At the moment I understand that bail is being refused for lesser offences eg posting an incorrect name of the Southport attacker.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Here is his post.
[qimg]https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_44766b8fd7073a0a.jpg[/qimg]

Does that look like a quote or an original post? Does it look like he is saying it or is he making clear it is not his views rather someone else's?

Grow up. Stop acting like a child trying to blame others. These people need to be punished for their choices and what they did. Pointing out others might have done similar is no excuse.

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited for rule 10 in quote

That twitter post is a clear example of incitement to hatred. No wonder he got his collar felt.

 

[jimbob]

That twitter post is a clear example of incitement to hatred. No wonder he got his collar felt.

It's not all, either.

That's a lie.

This is the context

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/...-twitter-and-tagging-northants-police-4736588

The father-of-three used his own name and profile picture, openly talked to people about where he lived and said during an attack he would use ‘gloves, no car either so no number plate to trace, and a change of clothes ready nearby,’ adding that he ‘watched enough CSI programmes’.

Which adds a bit of extra to the incitement

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Meanwhile at Truss Watch

She should stay in America, assuming they'll give her leaf to romaine.

 

[jeremyp]

Meanwhile at Truss Watch

Note that the poster remained on display after she had left the stage. So that's the second time she has been outlasted by a lettuce.

 

[Lothian]

She should stay in America, assuming they'll give her leaf to romaine.

Take your coat and leave, cos we don't want any more lettuce puns.

 

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

She should stay in America, assuming they'll give her leaf to romaine.

Nommed, my good man, nommed.