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General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory

It appears that the man who disarmed the white Leicester Square knife-man is a Muslim immigrant called Abdullah.

I wondered why the usual right wing talking heads were not mentioning it apart from immediately after when the identity of the attacker wasn't known.

Demands for the identity to be revealed, then silence.
 
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Mentioning that the Leicester Square attacker is white and was tackled by an immigrant Muslim is the left spreading division and race baiting apparently.
 
Dame Andrea Jenkyns, Former Tory Minister tweeted

"Don't #BlockMusk Make @elonmusk British Prime Minister. He would sort our great country out for the better! And stop #TwoTierKeir #Musk4PM!"

#Musk4PM is getting a lot of tweets from the right.
 
Filippo Lippi said:
Don't they realise the Far Right won't stop at Muslims? Don't they realise that a coked up rioter doesn't ask questions about religion before attacking someone "not like us?"
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Oh, I fully express to hear "NO POPERY HERE!" from the rioters.
As I said, read about the Gordon riots in 1780 some time.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Dame Andrea Jenkyns, Former Tory Minister tweeted

"Don't #BlockMusk Make @elonmusk British Prime Minister. He would sort our great country out for the better! And stop #TwoTierKeir #Musk4PM!"

#Musk4PM is getting a lot of tweets from the right.
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SHades of "Better Hitler then Blum".
 
Vixen said:
I half expected her to get bail given her means and Tory-councillor husband connection.
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At the moment it doesn't look as if anybody is getting bail for riot related stuff. It is one of the reasons for the number of guilty pleas, but sets a poor precedent.
 
A man with an eastern European sounding name has stabbed a child at Leicester Square in London. There will likely be no accompanying riot, because people now see what happens to rioters. Also, he is unlikely to be black or Muslim, and we have fond memories of all those hard working eastern European immigrants, before we threw many of them out.
 
Aber said:
At the moment it doesn't look as if anybody is getting bail for riot related stuff. It is one of the reasons for the number of guilty pleas, but sets a poor precedent.
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The precedent for rioting is always been that the courts treat it as just about the most serious crime anyone can commit. Mass violence against the state has always resulted in severe consequences. When it is considered bad enough, the state will deploy the army, most recently in Northern Ireland.

All the people who are acting surprised about what is happening to rioters in court, clearly do not remember 2011, or 1981, or any other riots.

Sentencing Guidelines for rioting are that the person will go to prison. Hence, no bail.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/riot/

If people were less ignorant of the law and history, they would be less inclined to riot. Nothing new is happening at the moment with regards to speed of sentensing and rioters going to prison. All the news reports and commentators who say otherwise need to read up on the subject.
 
Nessie said:
A man with an eastern European sounding name has stabbed a child at Leicester Square in London. There will likely be no accompanying riot, because people now see what happens to rioters. Also, he is unlikely to be black or Muslim, and we have fond memories of all those hard working eastern European immigrants, before we threw many of them out.
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Can't tell by the name. Lots of people second, third or fourth generation have a Polish surname. I note this guy is deemed 'disturbed' and the victim described as 'European'. Seems these days the first thing people hold their breaths for are the ethnicity of both perp and victim/s.
 
Nessie said:
A man with an eastern European sounding name has stabbed a child at Leicester Square in London. There will likely be no accompanying riot, because people now see what happens to rioters. Also, he is unlikely to be black or Muslim, and we have fond memories of all those hard working eastern European immigrants, before we threw many of them out.
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And the shop security guard who disarmed him and helped keep him subdued until the police arrives just happened to be named Abdullah.
 
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Aber said:
At the moment it doesn't look as if anybody is getting bail for riot related stuff. It is one of the reasons for the number of guilty pleas, but sets a poor precedent.
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As Nessie points out, it is not a precedent as it is based on the measures doled out for the 2011 rioters. There is going to be an early release scheme for prisoners serving less than four years, so most will have their sentences cut by 40% anyway. It is more to stop the bullies rioters in their tracks if they know they will be banged up even if they plead not guilty and can wait for up to six months on remand until a trial. Imagine how scary it must have been for those trapped inside the mosques and the asylum-seeker hotels. Also the fifty cops who ended up in hospital, having paving slabs and masonry thrown at them, being spat at and threatened. It is amazing no-one was killed.
 
Nessie said:
The precedent for rioting is always been that the courts treat it as just about the most serious crime anyone can commit. Mass violence against the state has always resulted in severe consequences. When it is considered bad enough, the state will deploy the army, most recently in Northern Ireland.

All the people who are acting surprised about what is happening to rioters in court, clearly do not remember 2011, or 1981, or any other riots.

Sentencing Guidelines for rioting are that the person will go to prison. Hence, no bail.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/riot/

If people were less ignorant of the law and history, they would be less inclined to riot. Nothing new is happening at the moment with regards to speed of sentensing and rioters going to prison. All the news reports and commentators who say otherwise need to read up on the subject.
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The Riot Act was only repealed in 1967. It allowed any assembly of more than 12 to be declared illegal, when read the Riot Act, and any person enforcing it was basically immune from consequences in the event of anyone in the crowd being killed.
 
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