Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Samson said:
It is agreed fact Harris was a DEI hire, it was deemed essential in that political climate. If not agreed could someone help me on this?

As for X, I thought I would use infallible Wiki to examine why Musk is on the move. It seems extraordinary he could not see the great merit of Newsom's new law. If only he had waited he could have missed the pain of learning what his son thought of his father and his own body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter

"On July 17, 2024, Musk posted that the headquarters of X would be moved from San Fransisco, California to Austin, Texas. This was in response to the AB 1955 bill signed by California Governor Gavin Newsom which bans school districts from passing policies requiring schools to notify parents if their child asks to change their gender identification.[136][137]"
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I predicted the word salad.

The issue is the flagrant impersonation of Kamala Harris, using deep-fake technology.

If it is parody, he should label it as such.
 
Samson said:
It is agreed fact Harris was a DEI hire...
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You fundamentally don't know what a fact is. Worse yet, you leap to the surreal conclusion that everyone agrees with your category error.

I'm fairly certain you don't know thing one about her (seeing as you're so clueless in general) save for the opinions of the filthy racists you lap up.
 
angrysoba said:
I predicted the word salad.

The issue is the flagrant impersonation of Kamala Harris, using deep-fake technology.

If it is parody, he should label it as such.
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The real issue is a trenchant determination to generalize from the particular with Musk and X.
I am read only, and find what is useful to me.
The content has nothing to do with Musk, it is the fact he allows it.
Who on ISF says they want their hand held when navigating contemporary social media?
It is everyone else's hands you want held.

I'm OK, you're OK fellow brave souls.
 
Samson said:
The real issue is a trenchant determination to generalize from the particular with Musk and X.
I am read only, and find what is useful to me.
The content has nothing to do with Musk, it is the fact he allows it.
Who on ISF says they want their hand held when navigating contemporary social media?
It is everyone else's hands you want held.

I'm OK, you're OK fellow brave souls.
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It was Elon Musk banning people for being parodies without disclosure. Yet here he is doing the same. Of course you give him a pass, because he is your hero.
 
angrysoba said:
It was Elon Musk banning people for being parodies without disclosure. Yet here he is doing the same. Of course you give him a pass, because he is your hero.
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You miss my point.
I don't have to analyze Musk beyond the fact I can find all content knowing it is unfiltered by Jack Dorsey and his Hollywood overlords.
Go to Threads.
 
Eta :Associated Press say the photo is from 2022.


More free speech.

A prominent presidential photographer showed a photo of Trump's ear boo-boo, and showed that it is negligible. Because of this, he was banned from Twitter.
Did I mention that the ear boo-boo did not involve in any visible damage?
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https://mastodon.social/@tofugolem/112862722259421486
 
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Samson said:
You miss my point.
I don't have to analyze Musk beyond the fact I can find all content knowing it is unfiltered by Jack Dorsey and his Hollywood overlords.
Go to Threads.
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well you can at least stop pretending it's a free speech issue then. musk lied, but you're ok with it because it suits your agenda. nobody is asking for anything but some honesty here.
 
Samson said:
It is agreed fact Harris was a DEI hire, it was deemed essential in that political climate. If not agreed could someone help me on this?
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Harris being a DEI hire is only really agreed upon among the "DEI BAD!" and "Democrats/Harris BAD no matter what!" crowds, which have very heavy overlap and very commonly resort to less than honest argumentation.

DEI doesn't actually enter into the equation, though, and especially not in the caricature of DEI way that those detractors seem to want to pretend. The primary criteria underlying the decision to choose her can be stated as pretty simple. First, the person selected for VP needed to be qualified and competent. Second, the person selected for VP was judged on how their selection would likely increase the overall chances of victory. Once one cuts through the noise, Harris was deemed the VP candidate that best fulfilled those two criteria, so she was chosen.
 
dirtywick said:
well you can at least stop pretending it's a free speech issue then. musk lied, but you're ok with it because it suits your agenda. nobody is asking for anything but some honesty here.
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Lying is specifically allowed on this free speech forum, I just make that point.
 
Darat said:
This is not a "free speech forum" - and it has never claimed to be one.
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In common with X, I would note that there is no up/down ticking, and moderating is after posting.
Musk claims he has returned X to being a free speech forum.
Objectionable though you might find the comparison, it is worth considering.

Eta I guess the like function on X is upticking.
I really haven't thought too much about it.
 
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Samson said:
Interesting.
It seems Pete Souza is running with the tomato sauce theory.
Wow, what a total moron.
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Tomato sauce?

More likely, that the damage was much more minor than claimed. Head wounds can bleed a lot even when the damage is quite minor, and ears certainly can. It would take very little damage to produce the amount of blood in the bloody ear photos, especially if the blood was smeared around a bit, as would naturally happen if a person reflexively used their hand to hold or feel the area. Honestly, I think I was considering it as likely to be minor damage from the start with how relatively little blood was there for the spot. It would be no surprise at all for it to have either healed up enough to be clean or for Trump to be using cosmetics to hide any spots that hadn't fully healed yet. Both options are entirely plausible.

None of that changes or mitigates that he was shot at by a Republican who seems likely to have been targeting either candidate, of course, or that he survived that potentially deadly situation.

Samson said:
Your disinformation is noted, he is not banned.
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His account became inaccessible, either way, for some length of time. Whether it is currently is not something that I care enough to check. Suspended, banned, deleted, or technical problem is something I'm not going to bother claiming or arguing.
 
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Aridas said:
Tomato sauce?

More likely, that the damage was much more minor than claimed. Head wounds can bleed a lot even when the damage is quite minor, and ears certainly can. It would take very little damage to produce the amount of blood in the bloody ear photos, especially if the blood was smeared around a bit, as would naturally happen if a person reflexively used their hand to hold or feel the area. Honestly, I think I was considering it as likely to be minor damage from the start with how relatively little blood was there for the spot. It would be no surprise at all for it to have either healed up enough to be clean or for Trump to be using cosmetics to hide any spots that hadn't fully healed yet. Both options are entirely plausible.

None of that changes or mitigates that he was shot at by a Republican who seems likely to have been targeting either candidate, of course, or that he survived that potentially deadly situation.



His account became inaccessible, either way, for some length of time. Whether it is currently is not something that I care enough to check. Suspended, banned, deleted, or technical problem is something I'm not going to bother claiming or arguing.
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Yes indeed, he was almost killed.
Souza's post was derogatory, but X/Musk have done the brand no good with the action.
I am happy to join the baying crowd on that.
 
Samson said:
Lying is specifically allowed on this free speech forum, I just make that point.
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half the time i can barely follow what you’re saying. are you saying that you are lying about this forum being a free speech zone just like musk lies about his?

they’re pretty upfront about the much more restrictive membership agreement. musk calls his site a free speech public square bit frequently and capriciously moderates content and tries to bury critics in frivolous lawsuits. to my knowledge this forum has done none of those things.
 
dirtywick said:
half the time i can barely follow what you’re saying. are you saying that you are lying about this forum being a free speech zone just like musk lies about his?

they’re pretty upfront about the much more restrictive membership agreement. musk calls his site a free speech public square bit frequently and capriciously moderates content and tries to bury critics in frivolous lawsuits. to my knowledge this forum has done none of those things.
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I'm reasonably sure that what you quoted is just saying that people are allowed to lie here and that lying is not against the rules.
 
Aridas said:
I'm reasonably sure that what you quoted is just saying that people are allowed to lie here and that lying is not against the rules.
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then i don’t get why it was brought up. like, elon musk lied about turning twitter into a free speech town square, but this is a free speech zone and people can lie here so it cancels out?

it makes samson happy that elon musk moderates the right kind of content now. that’s not more free, he just likes it better that way. just say that and drop the free speech stuff.
 
Wudang said:
Associated Press have said the photo io actually from 2022.
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Yeah, and that's relevant to that for Pete Souza, specifically.

There have apparently been actual pictures of Trump's ear looking fine during his very recent meeting with Netanyahu, though, on the topic of how much Trump's ear was actually damaged.

dirtywick said:
then i don’t get why it was brought up. like, elon musk lied about turning twitter into a free speech town square, but this is a free speech zone and people can lie here so it cancels out?

it makes samson happy that elon musk moderates the right kind of content now. that’s not more free, he just likes it better that way. just say that and drop the free speech stuff.
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Personally, I'd suggest trying not to read that deeply into it, for your own peace of mind.

Without analyzing too deeply, though, based on his statements in the last little bit in this thread, Samson supports people being allowed to lie. He opposes action being taken against them even if they lie.

That doesn't fit well with previous times when he cheered Musk on as Musk brought frivolous lawsuits against those like Media Matters (for Media Matters reporting truthfully, of course), yes, but it also doesn't have to fit well for what look like the purposes that he did.
 
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