Trump Assassination Attempt Conspiracy Theories

[JayUtah]

To be fair, if someone's job is to take a bullet for me, I want them to be more on the scale of Dwayne Johnson than Tom Cruise.

That's actually a fair point. The agent in question is short, but (politely stated) thick. So that may be a point in her favor on that concern. However, most of the criticism was against her being a woman. My cousin was in the Secret Service for 25 years on protective detail, and according to him there's more to the job than just being a human shield.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It's possible to be pro-Republican but anti-Trump or ambivalent about him, it could be internally consistent for someone to either oppose Trump's leadership of the party or think he was going to lose the election and be so opposed to the Democrats winning that they'd assassinate Trump in the belief that the sympathy vote would sweep his successor to power. In a case like this the over the top rhetoric about the Democrats would be a direct cause.


Obviously pure speculation.

 

[Axxman300]

That's actually a fair point. The agent in question is short, but (politely stated) thick. So that may be a point in her favor on that concern. However, most of the criticism was against her being a woman. My cousin was in the Secret Service for 25 years on protective detail, and according to him there's more to the job than just being a human shield.

So much more.

If you watch a good video of the incident from start to finish you'll see concentric layers of security. His close security are top of him in three seconds, and take him down to check for wounds, and wait for orders to move. Behind them are the counter-sniper teams (we still don't know which one made the kill-shot). The reaction force (the guys in black helmets, and ARs) are on the stage a few seconds after the close security team, and they cover the stage looking for additional threats from all sides. Additional QRF appear in green/multicam uniforms from their position behind the bleachers to augment security around the stage. The female agents seem to be perimeter security serving as a layer between the crowd and the close security.

Honestly, the Secret Service did a good job after the shots were fired. Had Trump been less interested in a photo-op they would have had him out faster. At this point it seems to be a communication issue between local law enforcement, and the Secret Service. It will take time to sort out, but maybe comms are recorded at these things (I don't know).

 

[ahhell]

Right wing media seems to be full off, "We should not what went wrong already!" Sure, if you want a scape goat and to have a likely false narrative, get that out quickly, don't give anyone time to actually figure out what went wrong.

 

[Ranb]

Possible, not unlikely, but still weird for a conservative to try to shoot the guy that conservatives worship.

Look at it this way. Perhaps Crooks was an actual conservative Republican, something that Trump is absolutely not. Trump is a gun grabbing RINO. He had a gun grab back in 2018; he might push for gun confiscation and raising the age to buy firearms like he did during his last administration.

Some actual Republicans are not happy with this. The GOP is not entirely trumper.

The irony for Trump is that he encouraged 2nd Amendment solutions; he wanted his supporters to shoot the enemies of the GOP. The idiot never thought the Leopard Eating People's Faces party would take a chunk out of his ear.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...stop-clintons-supreme-court/story?id=41239648

ETA; But attention seeking glory-hound is probably a better fitting label for Crooks.

 

[ahhell]

Possible, not unlikely, but still weird for a conservative to try to shoot the guy that conservatives worship. On the other hand, Chapman was a fan of John Lennon ...

Depends on what kind of conservative. Trump has basically changed the definition of conservative in the US, his economic policy is basically in line with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and his foreign policy is pro-Russia, anti-NATO. I could see some old style conservative trying to kill him on that score.

 

[ahhell]

The latest fuel for the conspiracy, apparently the secret service had knowledge of a suspicious potential shooter 10min+ before it happened and didn't keep trump off the stage.

Is there anyone who doesn't think it's entirely possible that they warned Trump and tried to get him to not go out and he did it anyway? That seems far more likely to me than him actually listening to the SS.

 

[Mike!]

The latest fuel for the conspiracy, apparently the secret service had knowledge of a suspicious potential shooter 10min+ before it happened and didn't keep trump off the stage.

Is there anyone who doesn't think it's entirely possible that they warned Trump and tried to get him to not go out and he did it anyway? That seems far more likely to me than him actually listening to the SS.

This, a thousand times this.
"Those are MY people! No one out there wants to hurt me. Everyone knows this. This show starts on time, dammit!"

 

[theprestige]

This, a thousand times this.
"Those are MY people! No one out there wants to hurt me. Everyone knows this. This show starts on time, dammit!"

What's your hypothesis? The Secret Service told Trump to stand by while they neutralized the threat, and when he said no they assumed he meant they shouldn't neutralize the threat?

 

[Mike!]

What's your hypothesis? The Secret Service told Trump to stand by while they neutralized the threat, and when he said no they assumed he meant they shouldn't neutralize the threat?

I'm going with the, Trump says "There is no threat" hypothesis. No threat, nothing to neutralize. I thought that was made clear.

I assume there isn't a single Secret Service Agent in Trump's detail that he didn't personally approve, and part of that approval process includes, 'What I say goes. Period. Am I clear?' Those that answer, 'Yes Sir, of course Sir, no question Sir.' get approved.

With that said, I guess in the end, it's all on Trump in the first place then.

 

[dudalb]

It's incredibly frustrating, especially from people who I expected to know better.

The anger from the trumpkins is scary, too. I mean, I knew it would come, but seeing them fuming in comment threads, even here in Norway, is downright frightening. Their Führer, their Holy cult leader, has been attacked, and they are up in arms, probably literally in the case of some of them. If I was a liberal or moderate, or, heck, a minority, in the States right now, I'd be downright terrified. I hope all of you are taking care.

I hope they have seriously reconsidered their oppostion to private gun owndershp.

 

[dudalb]

I'm going with the, Trump says "There is no threat" hypothesis. No threat, nothing to neutralize. I thought that was made clear.

I assume there isn't a single Secret Service Agent in Trump's detail that he didn't personally approve, and part of that approval process includes, 'What I say goes. Period. Am I clear?' Those that answer, 'Yes Sir, of course Sir, no question Sir.' get approved.

With that said, I guess in the end, it's all on Trump in the first place then.

One of the biggest problems the Secret Service has is that evry President often are very resistant to their advice. THey don't want the Service to come between them and "the People". Trump just takes this to extremes.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Will be interesting to see how Trump reacts to a couple of balloons popping near him at the convention.

 

[Segnosaur]

The security breach is what I'm the most curious about...I know Dump hires 'the best people', but Secret Service, thank god, operates independently of him. Weird that they would mess up like this.

In theory the secret service is a professional, non-political organization that should perform its tasks without any sort of bias.

But... wasn't there an issue earlier in Biden's term where it was found that some of the agents assigned to Trump were thought to be "too friendly" with him? And didn't Biden replace several agents on his detail because it was thought they were loyal to Trump?

From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/31/joe-biden-secret-service-team-trump-loyalty
Joe Biden is expected to receive Secret Service protection with a new team that is more familiar to him and replacing some agents amid concerns that they may be politically allied with Donald Trump.

Maybe the agents guarding Trump were 2nd tier, picked for their political leanings rather than their competency.

 

[KDLarsen]

There was the story that some Secret Service agents had gotten in hot water, after it was found they had deleted messages related to January 6 from their devices.

Edit: https://www.citizensforethics.org/l...rvice-likely-broke-the-law-by-deleting-texts/

 

[The Great Zaganza]

What's so bad about trying to kidnap the VP so he can't conduct the counting of the Votes?

 

[Axxman300]

I view this as an opportunity to gauge just how bad the network, print, and digital news media have become. So many "tactical experts" making the rounds on cable news, and social media talking about what should have happened, and what they would have done. Followed by those spinning this for political points: Trump, Trumpistas, anti-gun, anti-government, anti-Trump, etc.

As of the time of this post we are six days past the event. The only part of the story that hasn't changed is some of the security was aware of the shooter as a "suspicious individual", but lost track of him until he appeared on the roof of a building where the local SWAT was inside, giving pause to the Secret Service sniper teams long enough for the guy to get shots off.

What we don't know yet is what actions were taken by local law enforcement, the PA State Police, and the Secret Service from the time the Shooter was identified as suspicious. And we don't know how this information was communicated, and distributed throughout the body of the security element.

We've had the Secret Service deploy here over the years with the last time to cover Al Gore for a speech. They show up about a month before the event to meet with local LE, and assess the event location from all angles, and plan a route from the airport. About three days from the event in our small downtown all the homeless disappeared along with trash cans, and mailboxes, and newspaper machines. There were new faces loitering the streets around the theater where Gore would speak. I didn't bother going downtown on the day of the speech. Two days later the mailboxes, newspaper machines, trashcans, and homeless people were back.

That's a lot of planning and work for a three hour event. I can't wait to read the Secret Service report on this one.

 

[Egg]

Depends on what kind of conservative. Trump has basically changed the definition of conservative in the US, his economic policy is basically in line with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and his foreign policy is pro-Russia, anti-NATO. I could see some old style conservative trying to kill him on that score.

I'm surprised I have heard any conspiracy speculation about how he'd crossed the Cheney family.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Of course, the main reason why this could happen is because Trump is a cheap stake who does his Rallies in open public places where he has to pay nothing or little for, instead of an actual venue.
They are always insecure.

A more skilled and prepared shooter could have found a position to kill him from further away, making a kill and getway easy.

 

[zorro99]

A week has passed and precious little has been shared about the investigation.