What would you consider a major "culture war" battleground?

[arthwollipot]

Are we even supposed to tell kids about heterosexual activities?

Why would you hide it from them?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Are we even supposed to tell kids about heterosexual activities?

But they are not banning talking about gay sex in schools, but all recognition of gay people existing. I think the idea of a man and woman being married is something that is discussed with children. But make it two men married and it is illegal to talk about in school in some states.

It is about existence not sexual activities.

You are clear though that you can not see a gay couple and not immediately sexualize them.

 

[dudalb]

It was Zahi Hawass who brought up the idea that Cleopatra being black is a made-up fantasy that Netflix funded to get diversity asspats.



This is what's called Blackwashing history.

And it is ok with some people here......

 

[dudalb]

I am being told, basically, that if the Left does somehting stu

 

[theprestige]

Probably not in my lifetime, but I'm beginning to think that somewhere between Gen Z and Gen A, there's going to be a cultural shift against alcohol. It'll become less accessible, less socially acceptable, more tightly regulated. All based on the growing sense among younger generations that while pot is mostly okay, alcohol is right up there with tobacco for things that should never have been legalized to begin with.

 

[Samson]

Probably not in my lifetime, but I'm beginning to think that somewhere between Gen Z and Gen A, there's going to be a cultural shift against alcohol. It'll become less accessible, less socially acceptable, more tightly regulated. All based on the growing sense among younger generations that while pot is mostly okay, alcohol is right up there with tobacco for things that should never have been legalized to begin with.

There is a fundamental difference.
Alcohol can be consumed safely, tobacco can't be, so the liberal case is correct, ban the latter and keep crafting better quality wine.

 

[Puppycow]

Are we even supposed to tell kids about heterosexual activities?

In age-appropriate ways, yes. When I was in middle-school (7th grade if memory serves) we had health class and learned about things like pregnancy and STDs (which were called venereal disease in those days). The hope is to arm kids with important knowledge that they really ought to know before they become sexually active.

 

[ponderingturtle]

How about being a holocaust denier disqualifying someone from being governor or not, that is an active difference.

 

[arthwollipot]

There is a fundamental difference.
Alcohol can be consumed safely, tobacco can't be, so the liberal case is correct, ban the latter and keep crafting better quality wine.

No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health (World Health Organization, 4 January 2023)

The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented. The World Health Organization has now published a statement in The Lancet Public Health: when it comes to alcohol consumption, there is no safe amount that does not affect health.

 

[Samson]

No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health (World Health Organization, 4 January 2023)

WHO always have an agenda, it is clearly best no one takes any meds. I personally see more harm than good in all of it, Ritalin, antidepressants etc.
However, an extensive longitudinal study around 20 years ago yielded the unsurprising result that 2 glasses of red wine a day is optimal for health. 4 glasses and no glasses have equal outcomes. Beyond 4 I am sure it is down hill. 4 glasses is still a small amount of a naturally occurring organic compound, ethyl alcohol.
Don't ask me for a citation as I don't have one, it was a medical researcher who told me.

 

[Trausti]

WHO always have an agenda, it is clearly best no one takes any meds. I personally see more harm than good in all of it, Ritalin, antidepressants etc.
However, an extensive longitudinal study around 20 years ago yielded the unsurprising result that 2 glasses of red wine a day is optimal for health. 4 glasses and no glasses have equal outcomes. Beyond 4 I am sure it is down hill. 4 glasses is still a small amount of a naturally occurring organic compound, ethyl alcohol.
Don't ask me for a citation as I don't have one, it was a medical researcher who told me.

Is it the drinking of 2 glasses of wine or that people who have that habit are likely to have other moderating/healthy habits?

 

[d4m10n]

Why would you hide it from them?

Presumably because of a broad social consensus that certain topics are not age appropriate until around puberty or so. I'm skeptical whether romantic attraction even makes sense to people beforehand. At any rate, I'd say it's fair to put sex education (to include explaining what it means to say someone is lesbian or gay) in the "culture war" category based on previous events.

 

[Samson]

Is it the drinking of 2 glasses of wine or that people who have that habit are likely to have other moderating/healthy habits?

A lot to unpack, from memory it was a 20,000 sample.
I think the best takeaway is that prohibition has no proven benefit for moderate drinkers, and of course the mental benefits to being allowed free choice in life is a thing.
It could be queried, what does an Islamist look forward to after work, whatever that might be.

 

[arthwollipot]

WHO always have an agenda, it is clearly best no one takes any meds. I personally see more harm than good in all of it, Ritalin, antidepressants etc.
However, an extensive longitudinal study around 20 years ago yielded the unsurprising result that 2 glasses of red wine a day is optimal for health. 4 glasses and no glasses have equal outcomes. Beyond 4 I am sure it is down hill. 4 glasses is still a small amount of a naturally occurring organic compound, ethyl alcohol.
Don't ask me for a citation as I don't have one, it was a medical researcher who told me.

Yeah, twenty years ago. More has been done since then, including this statement from 2023.

“Potential protective effects of alcohol consumption, suggested by some studies, are tightly connected with the comparison groups chosen and the statistical methods used, and may not consider other relevant factors”, clarifies Dr Jürgen Rehm, member of the WHO Regional Director for Europe’s Advisory Council for Noncommunicable Diseases and Senior Scientist at the Institute for Mental Health Policy Research and the Campbell Family Mental Health Research Institute at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Toronto, Canada.

Ibid.

 

[jt512]

No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health (World Health Organization, 4 January 2023)

The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented. The World Health Organization has now published a statement in The Lancet Public Health: when it comes to alcohol consumption, there is no safe amount that does not affect health.

That is hardly a consensus opinion. There are many well-designed cohort studies that control for a myriad of potential confounding factors that show lower total mortality for light-to-moderate drinkers than for non-drinkers, including studies that have been published after that WHO statement was made. For example, this 2023 study of 918,529 subjects found that moderate drinkers had a 13% lower all-cause mortality risk than non-drinkers.

 

[arthwollipot]

Better to err on the side of caution, no?

 

[jt512]

Better to err on the side of caution, no?

Given the data, why would caution mean abstaining from alcohol rather than drinking moderately?

 

[Orphia Nay]

For example, this 2023 study of 918,529 subjects found that moderate drinkers had a 13% lower all-cause mortality risk than non-drinkers.

Can you quote where it says that, because I don't see that anywhere in the link.

 

[jt512]

That is hardly a consensus opinion. There are many well-designed cohort studies that control for a myriad of potential confounding factors that show lower total mortality for light-to-moderate drinkers than for non-drinkers, including studies that have been published after that WHO statement was made. For example, this 2023 study of 918,529 subjects found that moderate drinkers had a 13% lower all-cause mortality risk than non-drinkers.

Can you quote where it says that, because I don't see that anywhere in the link.

It is actually 13%, 23% and 18% lower mortality, respectively, for infrequent, light, and moderate drinkers (compared with non-drinkers).

Those numbers come from the highlighted hazard ratios (HR):

Results: During an average follow-up of 12.65 years, among the 918,529 participants (mean age 46.1 years; 48.0% male), 141,512 adults died from all causes, 43,979 from cardiovascular disease (CVD), 33,222 from cancer, 8246 from chronic lower respiratory tract diseases, 5572 from accidents (unintentional injuries), 4776 from Alzheimer's disease, 4845 from diabetes mellitus, 2815 from influenza and pneumonia, and 2692 from nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, or nephrosis. Compared with lifetime abstainers, current infrequent, light, or moderate drinkers were at a lower risk of mortality from all causes [infrequent-hazard ratio: 0.87; 95% confidence interval: 0.84 to 0.90; light: 0.77; 0.75 to 0.79; moderate 0.82; 0.80 to 0.85], CVD, chronic lower respiratory tract diseases, Alzheimer's disease, and influenza and pneumonia. Also, light or moderate drinkers were associated with lower risk of mortality from diabetes mellitus and nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, or nephrosis. In contrast, heavy drinkers had a significantly higher risk of mortality from all causes, cancer, and accidents (unintentional injuries). Furthermore, binge drinking ≥ 1 day/week was associated with a higher risk of mortality from all causes (1.15; 1.09 to 1.22), cancer (1.22; 1.10 to 1.35), and accidents (unintentional injuries) (1.39; 1.11 to 1.74).

The % reduction in mortality is (1 – HR) * 100%.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Did they control for being self-reported and alcohol use to be underestimated?