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General UK politics VII -Return of the Starmer

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Shapps in the times says that Labour look like winning a 'supermajority' which is dangerous for the country so people should vote Tory to keep the majority down.

He's admitting the Tories are going to lose and asking for consolation votes?

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You want to make sure that in this next government, whoever forms it, there’s a proper system of accountability,
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You don’t want to have somebody receive a super-majority. And in this case, of course, the concern would be that if Keir Starmer were to go into No 10 and that power was in some way unchecked, it would be very bad news for people in this country
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I think it’s perfectly legitimate to say the country doesn’t function well when you get majorities the size of [Sir Tony] Blair’s or even bigger and we would say there are a lot of very good, hardworking MPs who can hold the government of the day to account. And we’d say those are Conservative MPs.
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He also says

They say 'change', but you have no idea what they actually want to change to, other than the fact that they've outlined plans which would cost £2,094 to every working family in this country.
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So still pushing the tax lie.
 
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From an 85 seat majority to "please don't vote us out of existence" in just five short years.
 
Andy_Ross said:
I always think of Spode when I see Farage ranting.

Black Shorts next.

LIke SPode I expect him to abandon it all as soon as something better comes along (Spode turned his back on the Blackshorts when he inherited the title)
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OT but I knew a wargamer who had him make PM under Edward VIII in an alt-hist game where Edwards refused to abdicate and a civil war ensued. The Blackshort Legion fought the Anglican 'Bluebells' and various communists and others.
 
Pixel42 said:
The ITV interview he was doing when he should have been at the D-Day event looks to be hilarious. Asked what he'd ever had to sacrifice, he could apparently only come up with doing without Sky TV when he was a child. I've already seen a "Please sir, I want some more channels" photoshopped still from Oliver!
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Nah, he was misunderstood. When he said that he couldn't get SkyTV when he was a kid, he meant that he couldn't own it.
 
Lee Anderson says Reformate on the rise and there's going to be a reckoning, a Reform Reckoning.
 
Pixel42 said:
The ITV interview he was doing when he should have been at the D-Day event looks to be hilarious. Asked what he'd ever had to sacrifice, he could apparently only come up with doing without Sky TV when he was a child. I've already seen a "Please sir, I want some more channels" photoshopped still from Oliver!
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Poor little mite! I can remember our first tv being rented, with a regular visit from 'the TV repair man' to fix the valves that kept blowing. Oh what fun it was to twist and turn the arial to fix the blurry screen or the film seeming to revolve round and round. We all sat as a family huddled around 'Saturday Night at the London Palladium' eating cheese toast and desperately trying to keep my eyes open. If only I'd known of the plight of the little wretch waif Rishi! I would have been more grateful and maybe sent him off a cheque as I did for the starving children in Africa.
 
I seem to remember it as Sunday Night at the London Palladium.

Mind you my memory isn't what it was - had a terrible time remembering Christine Keeler's name - I wanted to look up proces for the chair that got named after her.
 
catsmate said:
At birth, every citizen, as of right, will be issued with a British bicycle and an honest British-made umbrella. Thus assured of a mobile workforce adequately protected against the elements, this great country can go forward once more to glory!
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...and a gaberdine mac! Don't forget the compulsory gaberdine mac.
 
jeremyp said:
No. I would have expected him to fulfil the duties of an effective opposition leader and they are to hold the government of the day to task over any bad decisions they make. There was plenty of material with both the May and Johnson governments for an effective opposition leader to use.



Well, well: a Labour politician managing to handle the right wing press. Doesn't this kind of undermine the point?

I'm not saying it was his policies that were the problem: I'm saying it was his abilities, or rather lack of them that were the issue. He was perceived as being "loony left" but the manifesto in 2017 wasn't really all that far left. Why could he not communicate that? Because he's ******* useless.
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Far too much emphasis in politics is given to 'personalities' and not enough on what they stand for. OK so Corbyn lacks charm and some of his veiws are all wrong. David Cameron 'looks the part'. This is why people keep getting lumbered with governments that don't actually represent their interests but that of the so-called ruling class whose only aim is to protect their own interests. The same thing is true of the USA. All this close monitoring of Biden's every move in the hope of diagnosing dementia or Parkinsons, not dissimilar to how people watch Putin in the hope he is dying of the most painful and terrible death, and as compared and contrasted with the huge orange blob, and presented to the public as Hobson Choice between the two. Farage is this lovable avuncular chap who manages to crawl unscathed from plane wreckages and laughs off milkshakes chucked at him (hey, front page news for Nigel...again! Keep it coming.)

We need to get back to looking at thhe policies and not the personalities.

I like Starmer the man and what he has done for human rights as a lawyer. Plus he shows empathy so lacking in Sunak and co. However, I knew him in his days of being a staunch blairite with all kinds of unpleasant purges going on in Camden council. The chair was a horrible reactionary woman (I forget her name) and yet there was Starmer being her most loyal ally, revolting against the left wing fo the party.
 
The biggest problem with a Labour supermajority (or indeed any supermajority) are the more useless MPs, no prospects, who are susceptible to corruption. I think misbehaviour amongst MPs is going to get worse.
 
Nessie said:
The biggest problem with a Labour supermajority (or indeed any supermajority) are the more useless MPs, no prospects, who are susceptible to corruption. I think misbehaviour amongst MPs is going to get worse.
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One problem they will have - vis-a-vis bankrupt-facing councils - is the lack of central funding they have had all of these years. They will get voted in but struggle to better the lives of their constituents. They will be blamed for the piles of uncollected rubbish, inner city decay, knife crime, bored gangs of roaming youths, unemployment and despair, all thanks to lack of funding, and people can't afford more community charges. So come the next election it's back to the Tories. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
Darat said:
I think everyone including the Tory party were planning on it being an autumn election so thought they’d have the quiet (politics wise) summer months to get their ducks in a row. Proper vetting of 600 plus candidates takes a lot of man hours.
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That's why you get the bulk of it done early. Everybody knew that an election had to be realistically held by November, it's not like the PM was running for the polls mid-parliament because of unexpected good polling.
 
Wudang said:
Being right on a lot of issues and having good ideas is absolutely no sodding use unless you can get into a position that allows you to enact them. Labour members saw that over and over. Corbyn was useless as a leader and campaigner. Constructive ambiguity my arse.
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And conversely, being in power but not using it to enact any good policies is also of no sodding use either, as Starmer is likely to find out over the next five years. No UK party has ever governed to the left of the positions it campaigned on.
 
Vixen said:
Poor little mite! I can remember our first tv being rented, with a regular visit from 'the TV repair man' to fix the valves that kept blowing. Oh what fun it was to twist and turn the arial to fix the blurry screen or the film seeming to revolve round and round. We all sat as a family huddled around 'Saturday Night at the London Palladium' eating cheese toast and desperately trying to keep my eyes open. If only I'd known of the plight of the little wretch waif Rishi! I would have been more grateful and maybe sent him off a cheque as I did for the starving children in Africa.
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Valves? who were you renting it off? Marconi?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Valves? who were you renting it off? Marconi?
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:confused: When I was a kid our TV had valves.

"Beginning in the mid-1960s, thermionic tubes were being replaced by the transistor. " (random google hit)
 
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