General UK politics VII -Return of the Starmer

[Garrison]

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

Now if you could just explain how Starmer persuaded Boris Johnson to hold an election and then force Corbyn to make such a piss poor job of campaigning?

 

[Lothian]

Now if you could just explain how Starmer persuaded Boris Johnson to hold an election and then force Corbyn to make such a piss poor job of campaigning?

For the latter he just told him to be himself.

 

[catsmate]

John Major was a colossus of politics in comparison with any of the five most recent Tory prime ministers.

True, I met him a couple of time at Anglo-Irish events and he was a competent, honest and nice person, vastly superior to pretty much any current Tory I can think of.
However 'charismatic' is not a word I associate with him.

 

[catsmate]

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

Eh............no.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I suppose it ties in with the story that they're having trouble finding candidates to stand in each constituency. They've rolled a dice on a number of candidates without doing the least amount of vetting (ie. has the potential candidate posted something stupid on SoMe that can be dug up, and if so, how do we respond to it?).

What did they do, just appoint the ones that The Party Formerly known as UKIP Ltd. decided to recently deselect after the newspapers pointed out how crazy they were?

 

[jeremyp]

It was Starmer in charge of Labour's running for the 2019 election. Jeremy Corbyn was about the only senior Labour figure that didn't want an election that year, but the right of the party saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Corbyn was the leader of the Labour Party then, not Starmer.

It was Boris Johnson's (not a member of the Labour Party) decision to call an election.

Furthermore, I will point out that Corbyn was absolutely ******* useless. If the right of the party wanted rid of him, well good for them - a tiny piece of sanity in the **** storm that is British politics.

 

[The Don]

One of the messages from the Conservative Party is that, thanks to their careful management, the economy has turned the corner (from their 14 years of mismanagement methinks) and to vote for Labour risks this recovery.

This won't be good news:

The unemployment rate has unexpectedly risen to its highest level for two and a half years, official figures show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2881jmwjlmo

 

[3point14]

Furthermore, I will point out that Corbyn was absolutely ******* useless. If the right of the party wanted rid of him, well good for them - a tiny piece of sanity in the **** storm that is British politics.

Yeah, can't have any suggestion of taxing the rich or public ownership out there. That would be madness...

 

[jeremyp]

Here is Holden, rather convincingly explaining his 'paracute jump' to his safe space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf397hCmnZ8&ab_channel=TheTelegraph



ETA
If I was orchestrating the Labour campaign, I'd tell everyone to stay home and shut up - the Tories are giving away far more ground than Starmer could steal.

Totally incompetent. I would have gone in with at least two completely irrelevant answers to give to that question. It should have been obvious that the interviewer was going to repeat it at least once.

 

[The Don]

Yeah, can't have any suggestion of taxing the rich or public ownership out there. That would be madness...

That wasn't really the issue. The issue IMO was using sixth form debating techniques to re-hash the politics of the 1970s - not really appropriate for current day politics.

 

[Nessie]

Farage made a good point. When asked about a Reform candidate who said he thinks the UK should have accepted Hitler's request to be neutral during WWII and that women are spongers, he pointed out that because this election was unexpected, all parties have struggled with candidate selections due to a lack of time to properly vet them.

I fear, we are going to end up with as many idiot MPs after the election, as we had before, of not more.

 

[3point14]

That wasn't really the issue. The issue IMO was using sixth form debating techniques to re-hash the politics of the 1970s - not really appropriate for current day politics.

Oh totally. Can't have the Overton Window moving to the left, can we?

 

[jimbob]

That wasn't really the issue. The issue IMO was using sixth form debating techniques to re-hash the politics of the 1970s - not really appropriate for current day politics.

Exactly.

My "favourite" was when Cameron was struggling to deal with floods in Cumbria.

Corbyn, instead of attacking Cameron's incompetence in a crisis, he decided to discuss the possibility of joint sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

Which was wrong as well as poor tactics.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Now if you could just explain how Starmer persuaded Boris Johnson to hold an election and then force Corbyn to make such a piss poor job of campaigning?

BoJo wanted the election but didn't have the numbers. It was only through Labour's right being so monomaniacally intent on getting rid of Corbyn and Swinson being so deluded that she could be PM after the election that brought it about.

 

[Darat]

Yeah, can't have any suggestion of taxing the rich or public ownership out there. That would be madness...

Labour has been around for over a hundred years, the British electorate have consistently rejected Labour’s “hard left” when it has been offered, whether you and I like it or not the UK has wanted “non-hard left” for pretty much the entirety of Labour’s existence.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Farage made a good point. When asked about a Reform candidate who said he thinks the UK should have accepted Hitler's request to be neutral during WWII and that women are spongers, he pointed out that because this election was unexpected, all parties have struggled with candidate selections due to a lack of time to properly vet them.

I fear, we are going to end up with as many idiot MPs after the election, as we had before, of not more.

Shouldn't really be the case. The election was only brought forward by about 4 months realistically.

 

[Darat]

One of the messages from the Conservative Party is that, thanks to their careful management, the economy has turned the corner (from their 14 years of mismanagement methinks) and to vote for Labour risks this recovery.

This won't be good news:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2881jmwjlmo

1) Business already been frightened by even the possibility of a Labour government
2) Would have been worse if Labour had been in power
3) “We’ll deal with all those pulling the lead and scum social security scroungers with their 7 kids by 5 different mothers and flat screen TVs with welfare reforms”. (The favourite which will be all over the place when the manifesto is launched)
4) We have a plan which is working

 

[Darat]

Shouldn't really be the case. The election was only brought forward by about 4 months realistically.

I think everyone including the Tory party were planning on it being an autumn election so thought they’d have the quiet (politics wise) summer months to get their ducks in a row. Proper vetting of 600 plus candidates takes a lot of man hours.

 

[3point14]

Labour has been around for over a hundred years, the British electorate have consistently rejected Labour’s “hard left” when it has been offered, whether you and I like it or not the UK has wanted “non-hard left” for pretty much the entirety of Labour’s existence.

And, of course, that's nothing at all to do with a right wing press, owned, in the main, by billionaires, who have a vested interest in maintaining the current situation and, even, moving it to the right even more.

Indeed, had his own party not actively worked against him in well documented (but poorly publicised - that's a shock) fashion, there's every chance his "hard left"* policies would have won him an election.


(* Hard left, of course, meaning public ownership of essential services, taxing the rich and a working wage. Such extremism!!)

 

[catsmate]

BoJo wanted the election but didn't have the numbers. It was only through Labour's right being so monomaniacally intent on getting rid of Corbyn and Swinson being so deluded that she could be PM after the election that brought it about.

Bollocks.