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Sometimes it feels like "If Biden is reelected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair in a few years. If Trump is elected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair immediately." Then I come to my senses and remember that everything is already ****** beyond repair.
 
shemp said:
Sometimes it feels like "If Biden is reelected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair in a few years. If Trump is elected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair immediately." Then I come to my senses and remember that everything is already ****** beyond repair.
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Some things are too True to be Good.
 
While Israel isn't a good look for Biden I'm not sure it's an election-changing problem, unlike housing, which will definitely impact the result.

When Nathan Wilkins moved back in with his mother and sister in 2019, he hoped it would help him save money to buy a home.

But in the years since, the US housing market has been transformed by rising rents, surging home prices, and a massive jump in mortgage rates, making homeownership seem ever more impossible.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cmj66r4lvzzo

People impacted by the housing crisis are Biden voters.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well .. question is, do they think Trump will fix it ?
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No, and they won't be voting for Trump.

The danger is not voting. America already has an appallingly low voter turnout, and if enough people who should/would vote Biden don't bother, the decorators will be back with gold trim at the White House.
 
The Atheist said:
No, and they won't be voting for Trump.

The danger is not voting. America already has an appallingly low voter turnout, and if enough people who should/would vote Biden don't bother, the decorators will be back with gold trim at the White House.
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True. People who would change the camp are few. Much more people might be simply too disgusted with the whole thing. But that's a problem for both Biden and Trump imho.
 
I agree that apathy by normally Dem voters could get Trump back in the WH as his supporters are fired up with their grievances that they think Trump will remedy. He won't. What he will do is concentrate on getting revenge on every person he thinks slighted him and further undermining our democracy. And he'll have the help of idiots in Congress who are part of his cult, care only about getting re-elected themselves, or spineless cowards.

Anyone who thinks Trump cares about anyone other than himself or anything that doesn't benefit him personally is a gullible fool. He's shown us who and what he is: a dangerous sociopath.
 
I think it's more that people think Trump will tear down the SystemTM , and then the US is naturally reset to its Original System, as created by the Infallible Founders.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I think it's more that people think Trump will tear down the SystemTM , and then the US is naturally reset to its Original System, as created by the Infallible Founders.
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With a lot of Trump's supporters you can leave out the "and then" part.
 
The Democrats are starting to freak out that Biden is not burying Trump by now:

“You don’t want to be that guy who is on the record saying we’re doomed, or the campaign’s bad or Biden’s making mistakes. Nobody wants to be that guy,” said a Democratic operative in close touch with the White House and granted anonymity to speak freely.

But Biden’s stubbornly poor polling and the stakes of the election “are creating the freakout,” he said.
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As someone who has decided reluctantly to support Biden this time around I am not freaking out so much. Trump is the wrong candidate and a major-league ******* but I don't buy the end of democracy scare-mongering about him. However, I do confess I am mystified by Biden's inability so far to get in front this cycle. Democrats are hoping that a conviction in the NYC trial will work; I assume it's already factored into the polling.

In my state of Arizona, there is an open Senate seat (Sinema). Ruben Gallego (D) leads Kari Lake (R) by about 10-13 points in polling. In addition, there will be a pro-abortion amendment to the state constitution on the ballot, which seems likely to drive Democrats to the polls. And at the same time, Trump is leading Biden by 4 points in the Grand Canyon State. That's hard to reconcile in my mind, especially since Lake's a Trump protege (bootlick). The only thing I can think of (and it is significant) is how recently each disparaged John McCain. Trump at least gave up shortly after McCain's death in 2018, while Lake urged McCain Republicans to leave the party in 2022.
 
Brainster said:
the Libertarians... are as relevant as the Greens in the US.
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The last Presidential election was decided by about a third of a thousandth of the total vote. Even some minor parties are bigger than that. (Of course, this next one is shaping up to not be close at all so far, but it could be.)

Tero said:
Biden is supossd to find relief for poor voters with too much credit card debt?
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The Great Zaganza said:
Do people have to pay their debts, yes or no?
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As straw-manning goalpost-shifts go, that one was subtler than most.

The Atheist said:
if enough people who should/would vote Biden don't bother...
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Part of the Democrats' problem is thinking of certain voters as theirs by default. If they're not voting, they're not yours; they're already gone. If you want them back, you need to do something to get them back.

shemp said:
Sometimes it feels like "If Biden is reelected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair in a few years. If Trump is elected, everything is going to be ****** beyond repair immediately." Then I come to my senses and remember that everything is already ****** beyond repair.
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As far as I'm concerned, the main thing to watch for is not who wins the Presidential election, but which party wins each legislative house and whether there's any sign of the Democrats finally starting to turn around from the course they've been on for decades.

Brainster said:
The Democrats are starting to freak out that Biden is not burying Trump by now
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The first step toward solving a problem is admitting you have one. (Of course, a handful of reports of a handful of separate people taking that first step in the last few days is not necessarily a sign that the party overall has done so yet.)

Brainster said:
Democrats are hoping that a conviction in the NYC trial will work; I assume it's already factored into the polling.
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Surveys of how people expect to vote now are based on the current conditions, in which he's not been convicted. Surveys about how people would vote if that condition were to change do show the election shifting against him then.

But surveys about how people would respond to hypothetical changes might not be as reliable as the ones about how they feel about current conditions, and the current trial is over probably his least-important crime and thus probably his least-impactful potential conviction, and all it takes is one liar on the jury to avoid even that conviction.

Brainster said:
In my state of Arizona, there is an open Senate seat (Sinema). Ruben Gallego (D) leads Kari Lake (R) by about 10-13 points in polling... Trump is leading Biden by 4 points... That's hard to reconcile in my mind, especially since Lake's a Trump protege (bootlick).
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The pattern has been repeated a bunch of times in various elections over the last few years that Trumplings tends to lose and Democrats tend to win. Surveys have also consistently shown that Trump and Biden are the exceptions in both cases, with Trump doing uniquely well relative to the rest of his own brand and Biden being a uniquely terrible excuse for a candidate relative to the rest of his party. And their actual election results in 2020 show the same thing, with Biden barely scraping by (by about a third of a thousandth of the vote) instead of all-out clobbering him like he should've. It all fits together quite neatly without any need to think of it as just an Arizona thing or invoke an Arizona-specific explanation.
 
Delvo said:
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As straw-manning goalpost-shifts go, that one was subtler than most...
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it's not goal-post shifting, it's a request for clarification, because depending on the outcome, I will explain my reasoning differently.

The underlying question was credit card debt relief, and whether the State should do that for the poorest or not.
For some, this is a moral question requiring a moral answer.

I need to know if sir drinks-a-lot falls into that category or not, since a technical answer will not work on a moral conviction.
 
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