Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Mojo]

I hesitate to use the term 'Trustee' in respect of Sunak's blind interests as for me the word has a specific legal meaning. I doubt very much Sunak set up any such legal Trustee arrangements in any UK court as the UK has no jurisdiction over companies registered in the Cayman Islands. Sunak's Cabinet Office also refuses to confirm the name of his imaginary US trustee so it is obvious it is not a formal trustee arrangement, it is just on Sunak's say so to avoid declaring his interests in the parliamentary registers of interest.

Do trusts really need to be set up in court?

 

[smartcooky]

Apologies! I must have misread it. Very sorry about that.

So you're quite right, E10 EFL cannot have been car zero as it passed an MOT some weeks after the fire. Which might at least explain why the press were not quick to publish (whoever that twitter user was that Vixen found) claiming they had deciphered the plate.

Looking at the video, I cannot read the plate at all.

FWIW, a 2014/15 car would have either 14 or 64 as the 3rd and 4th digits, 2015/16 would be 15 or 65, and 2016/17 would be 16 or 66

https://www.nationalnumbers.co.uk/dvla-guide/year-of-issue-149.htm

So if the numberplate cannot have been the one ascribed initially to car zero, then it was not ipso facto a 2014 Range Rover Sport.

Of course it could. As Mark Corrigan has pointed out, it could be a personalized plate (vanity plate) where the numbers may have some significance to the owner.

ETA: I think I have confirmed it is a personalised plate, because that number is not available for purchase (E12EFL, E16EFL, E17EFL ad E19EFL are available)

https://dvlaregistrations.dvla.gov....Search&super=&super_pricefrom=&super_priceto=

 

[Andy_Ross]

The number plate is a red herring

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I'm aware, the bit I was speculating about was that, since the fire, the plate has been transferred to a different Range Rover, and that would support the original identification of the numberplate being correct.

I hadn't thought of that. Yes, the vanity plate would likely have been retained and transferred to another car, so the info we can look up about the car's history may now refer to a replacement car bought some time after the fire.

If the number plate brought up details of a 2014 car when accessed some months ago and now it's a 2016 car that's pretty certainly indicating the transfer of a cherished plate to another vehicle.

 

[JayUtah]

Do trusts really need to be set up in court?

No.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I hadn't thought of that. Yes, the vanity plate would likely have been retained and transferred to another car, so the info we can look up about the car's history may now refer to a replacement car bought some time after the fire.

If the number plate brought up details of a 2014 car when accessed some months ago and now it's a 2016 car that's pretty certainly indicating the transfer of a cherished plate to another vehicle.

Says the last V5C issued for the plate was April 2024. That means that some detail about the vehicle was altered shortly prior to that date and the V5C was issued in response to the update.

 

[smartcooky]

The number plate is a red herring

No, its a red 2014 Range Rover

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Says the last V5C issued for the plate was April 2024. That means that some detail about the vehicle was altered shortly prior to that date and the V5C was issued in response to the update.

Thanks. That might fit quite nicely into a timeline where your 2014 car gets incinerated in October '23 and the insurance takes a while to pay out but when it does you get a replacement 2016 car and switch your retained cherished plate over to it.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

No, its a red 2014 Range Rover

Gold.

According to the DVLA website VRM checker it is a gold 2016 Land Rover.

 

[JayUtah]

No, its a red 2014 Range Rover

Dunno, "Herring" sounds to me like something Morris would have made.

 

[zooterkin]

Gold.

According to the DVLA website VRM checker it is a gold 2016 Land Rover.

You've missed a couple of posts.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Gold.



According to the DVLA website VRM checker it is a gold 2016 Land Rover.

The heat of a lithium fire has the power to transmute base metal Range Rovers into gold.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You've missed a couple of posts.

No no, I'm pointing out that the VRM is NOW a 2016 Gold one and that was likely what was updated in April. I suspect that Jack is bang on the money.

 

[welshdean]

Says the last V5C issued for the plate was April 2024. That means that some detail about the vehicle was altered shortly prior to that date and the V5C was issued in response to the update.

The DVLA send out a new V5c when you swap plates.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

The DVLA send out a new V5c when you swap plates.

Exactly, I was just wording it so no one could disingenuously claim that's the ONLY reason the DVLA do that.

Again, I deal with this stuff for my job. I suspect I know more about it than Vixen. In fact I'm pretty bloody confident I do.

 

[smartcooky]

Says the last V5C issued for the plate was April 2024. That means that some detail about the vehicle was altered shortly prior to that date and the V5C was issued in response to the update.

AIUI, one of the reasons a V5C is changed is when a vehicle has its original plate replaced with a personalised plate. A new V5C is issued for that plate/vehicle.

The scenario where the owner had a 2014 Range Rover with the rego E10EFL, and the vehicle was damaged/written off, say in a fire, and the owners bought a 2016 Range Rover and transferred the plate would account for

- The changed V5C
- The discrepancy between the MOT history of the current vehicle and the previous vehicle under that registration
- The fact that a DVLA check several months ago came back to a different car than it does now.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Are we now going to be accused of starting a conspiracy theory about the changing identity of this car?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Looking at the video, I cannot read the plate at all.

I wonder if whoever claimed to decipher it originally had access to a better quality video. Who knows what compression has been applied to the one we're looking at.

At any rate, the fact that the vehicle came back as a red 2014 Range Rover Sport, consistent with the vehicle in the video, suggests it's likely accurate. The fact that it's a custom plate, and that it was reregistered to a gold 2016 Range Rover Sport last month is consistent with the owner transferring the custom plate to a replacement vehicle.

But even if the claimed plate could be proved to be from an entirely different Range Rover Sport, the notion that that proves the car on fire in the garage can't have been a Range Rover Sport is just silly, and betrays a lack of basic logical aptitude.

 

[JayUtah]

Do trusts really need to be set up in court?

To be pedantic: the only time you need to register anything with anyone when setting up a trust is in the case where (a) the property entrusted is real property, and (b) the real property is actually conveyed to the trust. The deed of conveyance to the trust must be recorded as with any other conveyance of real property. This is because it's a real property transaction, not because a trust (blind or otherwise) is implicated.

No court required—ever.

If the property entrusted is not real property, nobody except the parties involved (and perhaps the solicitor who draws up the trust agreement) need know it's happening.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... But even if the claimed plate could be proved to be from an entirely different Range Rover Sport, the notion that that proves the car on fire in the garage can't have been a Range Rover Sport is just silly, and betrays a lack of basic logical aptitude.

To be fair to Vixen she said "if the numberplate cannot have been the one ascribed initially to car zero, then it was not ipso facto a 2014 Range Rover Sport", which is true. While it's tempting to presume ipso facto is just a little flourish of embellishment, it establishes a condition which makes her statement true*. If that plate could not have been on car zero then car zero can't be identified just by virtue of having that plate.

The problem for Vixen is that the initial condition does not arise; car zero can indeed have been wearing that plate, even though as of this April it's on a different car.


*Okay, nitpick, car zero's plate "ascribed initially" will probably have been a regular 2014 plate, not that 1980s one.