Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[JayUtah]

Because he was not arrested until 23 October 2023, some two weeks after the fire 10 Oct 2023. Fits in with a holiday no?

Speculation.

He was finally cleared from suspicion of any wrongdoing in March 2024.

And therefore remains irrelevant despite your ongoing fascination with him.

 

[JayUtah]

I very clearly stated that Sunak has not done anything illegal.

You accused him of using his office to manipulate a public investigation in order to protect his private interests. You said he was "corrupt as hell," or words to that effect.

 

[Andy_Ross]

After strongly implying that he was having it covered up to protect his financial investments.

More than implying.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Also, UK cars use the same bodywork as European models, if they're going to be so!d in the UK or other LHD markets they're designed so the steering wheel, pedals & controls can be fitted on either side. When manuals are translated they dont always account for this change meaning the release/fuse box etc that you're looking for in the passenger footwell is actualy in their driver's side or vice versa.

I learned to drive in a first generation VW Polo. When they were built for left hand drive they had to leave out the brake servo as there wasn't room for it.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I very clearly stated that Sunak has not done anything illegal.

You told us where there was brass there would be muck, and that there was lots of brass, and we should follow the money. If the muck you were alluding to was anything other than corruption then you made a piss-poor job of expressing it.

 

[junkshop]

The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.

This statement is either true or not true. None of this other ******** matters a jot without a position being taken on this fundamental question.

So, Vixen: is this statement made by BF&RS true or not?

 

[smartcooky]

Just where the passenger seat area is to the left and at the front. (Remember, this is the UK, with a different side drive).

Right where the fuel line is (highly pressurised in a 2014 era commonrail diesel)

Indeed, and to expand on this, keep in mind that a modern fuel-injected diesel engine, when running, will also produce jets of flame if there is a fire involving a leak in the fuel system.

This is because in modern diesel powered cars, the fuel system is under pressure when the engine is running (and my understanding is that the engine was still running). Normal fuel pressure in a Land Rover engine is between 25,000KPA (3,600 psi) and 140,000 KPA (20,000 psi) depending on load and engine speed, and this pressure is supplied by the fuel pressure pump located at, or very near to, the fuel tank. This means the whole fuel line is under this pressure, so even at idle, a leak in a fuel line being ignited will result in a pretty spectacular jet of flame, and since the entire fuel system in cars is in vehicle's under body, that jet of flame is going to appear to come from under the vehicle.

 

[smartcooky]

Why are you credulous about unsubstantiated rumors, gossip and anonymous "experts" when they seem to support your arguments, but so skeptical of facts, official statements and actual experts when they don't? (Remember, in the states we ask questions on the rhetorical side of the query.)

Well, this is exactly what conspiracy theorists do, so why shouldn't she?

 

[smartcooky]

Community Note: This is incorrect. Someone else corrected it.

Brilliant, and nommed!!

 

[SpitfireIX]

I very clearly stated that Sunak has not done anything illegal.

You accused him of using his office to manipulate a public investigation in order to protect his private interests. You said he was "corrupt as hell," or words to that effect.

I finally found the (purported) crime.

From the Crown Prosecution Service (straight from the horse's mouth):

Misconduct in Public Office
07 July 2023 Updated: 7 July 2023|Legal Guidance

Introduction

Misconduct in public office (“MiPO”) is a common law offence that can be tried only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. The offence concerns serious wilful abuse or neglect of the power or responsibilities of the public office held. There must be a direct link between the misconduct and an abuse of those powers or responsibilities. The Court of Appeal has made it clear that the offence should be strictly confined, and it can raise complex and sometimes sensitive issues. . . .

A public officer

There is no simple definition of a public officer, and each case must be assessed individually, taking into account the nature of the role, the duties carried out and the level of public trust involved. . . .

The following have been held to be public officers:

• holders of judicial and quasi-judicial office (judges, magistrates, registrars, coroners)
• police constables (including while suspended from duty – see Knox [2011] EWHC 1629 (Admin)
• police community support officers (Amar Iqbal [2008] EWCA Crim 2066) and other police civilian employees (L [2011] EWCA Crim 1259 ; Gallagher [2010] EWCA Crim 3201)
• immigration officers (John-Ayo [2008] EWCA Crim 1651)
• elected officials (MPs, councillors, ministers, mayors)
• civil servants (including local authority officers and DVLA employees)
• prison staff (including prison nurses and those employed by private companies operating prisons)
• army officers
• Bishops of the Church of England (Ball [2015] Unreported)
• volunteer members of the Independent Monitoring Board (Belton [2010] EWCA Crim 2857). . . .

Wilful neglect/breach of duty or misconduct

“Wilful” means “deliberately doing something which is wrong knowing it to be wrong or with reckless indifference as to whether it is wrong or not”: Attorney General’s Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868. Recklessness in this context means subjective recklessness i.e., the suspect was aware of a risk and in the circumstances known to them at the time it was unreasonable to take that risk (R v G [2003] UKHL 1034).

The offence can take a wide range of forms. It may involve a positive act or an omission in circumstances where action was required. In Dytham (1979) QB 722, for example, a police officer was held to have been correctly convicted when he made no move to intervene during a disturbance in which a man was kicked to death. In Attorney General’s Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868 it was alleged that the police failed to prevent the death of an injured man who was in their custody.

Examples of positive acts include:

• a local authority manager improperly arranging for contractors to carry out work at his partner’s home: Bowden [1996] 1 WLR 98
• a police officer accessing information from the Police National Computer to pass on to a criminal: Attorney General’s Ref (No.1 of 2007) [2007] EWCA Crim 760
• a prison officer passing information to journalists for payment: Norman [2016] EWCA Crim 1564
• a probation officer harbouring a wanted criminal after developing a sexual relationship with him whilst supervising him: McCarthy [2015] EWCA Crim 111

 

[SpitfireIX]

So, in light of the above, please explain to us again, Vixen, how Sunak hasn't done anything illegal.

Also, a related question. How is it that you and a few other Internet sleuths were able to figure out that Sunak ordered the fact that an EV started the fire to be suppressed, but Kier Starmer and his shadow cabinet were not?

 

[JayUtah]

So, in light of the above, please explain to us again, Vixen, how Sunak hasn't done anything illegal.

Her answer to this question before has been that Sunak cleverly disguises his efforts to appear to be in the national interest. Which then raises your question :—

Also, a related question. How is it that you and a few other Internet sleuths were able to figure out that Sunak ordered the fact that an EV started the fire to be suppressed, but Kier Starmer and his shadow cabinet were not?

This is another feature of conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists have no problem seeing through all these apparently cleverly crafted ruses from the comfort of their armchairs, but the people in the best position and highly motivated to discover them seem unable to. This goes to the point that conspiracy theories are aimed mostly at convincing the conspiracy theorists who come up with them that they are really, really smart.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Coincidentally in my part of the world we frequently use the expression “polishing a turd” to describe activities that require effort for no possible benefit.

I will leave the question of the applicability of this expression to the current thread as an exercise for the reader.

Polishing is left for some future thread. This thread is producing the raw materials.

 

[Dabop]

Polishing is left for some future thread. This thread is producing the raw materials.

And boy is it providing a LOT of those 'raw materials'....

 

[smartcooky]

And boy is it providing a LOT of those 'raw materials'....
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So does doing this...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

So does doing this...

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ryb9ihx4o8g6jz/keepdigging2.gif?raw=1[/qimg]

When digging oneself into a hole produces enough back fill to to make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Dabop]

Although some peoples holes are in danger of hitting the mantle...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Although some peoples holes are in danger of hitting the mantle...

"Pick me up some Vegemite when you get done"

 

[Vixen]

I finally found the (purported) crime.

From the Crown Prosecution Service (straight from the horse's mouth):

<snip>

Nothing to do with Criminal Law. The issue is the thorny subject of ministerial probity, ethics, governance and accountability. When an MP is elected, there has to be a mechanism for them to claim a second home inside or outside of their constituency, expenses and under an eighteenth century Act of Parliament, the wherewithal to practice without having to give up their business interests, which might be a conflict of interest. Whether or not the Constitution is tight enough to ensure highest standards is more a matter for discussion in the politics section. The only thing we are worried about here is the issue of Sunak's potential interests in (a) a foreign company (Tata in respect of Jaguar Land Rover int he UK) and (b) transparency in his business dealings, his business being hidden away in a foreign country and registered as 'blind'.

The problem arises if the only reason the Luton Airport fire Range Rover is (a) being protected from brand reputation damage and (b) EV-industry reputation damage is because Sunak is protecting his investment assets, and that possibly of family friend, Mr. Tata, then that becomes an issue of foreign interest coming before the interests of the UK taxpayer, who is entitled to have the information re faulty JLR vehicles that keep catching fire and whether the Range Rover involved (although this information has been withheld for no reason I can discern) was an EV because it is in the public interest to have this important information, even if it does affect Jaguar Land Rover's business reputation and the Prime Minister's family's foreign investments.

 

[Vixen]

Right where the fuel line is (highly pressurised in a 2014 era commonrail diesel)

Dabop, do you have a video that might demonstrate visually what such a fuel line diesel fire might look like that looks like the Romanian lady's video?