Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Mojo]

1. A sprinkler system.

2. Do not use aluminium pipes to deal with fuel leaks. Why? Because they melt at high temperature and cause rapid spread of fire to other floors.

Seems to leave rather a lot unspecified.

 

[zooterkin]

1. A sprinkler system.

2. Do not use aluminium pipes to deal with fuel leaks. Why? Because they melt at high temperature and cause rapid spread of fire to other floors.

Well, better than melting at low temperature.

 

[Mojo]

Well, better than melting at low temperature.

Perhaps the pipes could be made from chocolate.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... The fire was almost certainly caused by a thermal runaway

Not remotely plausible in a vehicle which did not have a lithium battery. We know it did not have a lithium battery because the fire service says so unequivocally. The fire service is extraordinarily unlikely to be lying.

Therefore your "almost certainly" claim is obviously false as it requires an absurdly unlikely set of circumstances to be true.

 

[Mojo]

As far as implausible claims go, Vixen also has a 'deep fake' video of a burning JLR vehicle being created in order to protect the JLR brand.

 

[Darat]

Not remotely plausible in a vehicle which did not have a lithium battery. We know it did not have a lithium battery because the fire service says so unequivocally. The fire service is extraordinarily unlikely to be lying.

Therefore your "almost certainly" claim is obviously false as it requires an absurdly unlikely set of circumstances to be true.

Are you sure it didn't have a lithium battery, my car has a CR2032 battery in its radio to maintain settings etc. if the battery is disconnected.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

As far as implausible claims go, Vixen also has a 'deep fake' video of a burning JLR vehicle being created in order to protect the JLR brand.

To go with an actual saying "What a tangled web we weave..." to quote Shakespeare.

It wasn't Shakespeare, it was Sir Walter Scott in his poem Marmion: A Tale of Flodden Field

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Are you sure it didn't have a lithium battery, my car has a CR2032 battery in its radio to maintain settings etc. if the battery is disconnected.

Know what the anode of a CR2032 is made of? Lithium!!


ETA: You obviously already knew that!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Are you sure it didn't have a lithium battery, my car has a CR2032 battery in its radio to maintain settings etc. if the battery is disconnected.

(Momentary digression) I don't know what I despair of more: the fact that car radios forget all their settings, which is a decades-old problem makers did not solve, or that they may now have 'solved' it by adopting the same stupid BIOS battery technology that computers have been blighted by for decades.

By the time your need a new car battery, the CR2032 will have quietly died and the radio will lose its settings anyway.

Yes, I am somewhat triggered, by having recently replaced literally dozens of CR2032s in an installation where every device needed a different arcane procedure to regain its wits after the swap. CR2032 is not a solution. It's kicking the can 3 years down the road for some other mug to pick up the pieces.

 

[malbui]

(Momentary digression) I don't know what I despair of more: the fact that car radios forget all their settings, which is a decades-old problem makers did not solve, or that they may now have 'solved' it by adopting the same stupid BIOS battery technology that computers have been blighted by for decades.

By the time your need a new car battery, the CR2032 will have quietly died and the radio will lose its settings anyway.

Yes, I am somewhat triggered, by having recently replaced literally dozens of CR2032s in an installation where every device needed a different arcane procedure to regain its wits after the swap. CR2032 is not a solution. It's kicking the can 3 years down the road for some other mug to pick up the pieces.

Related digression: I have devices that take 2016, 2025, 2032, 1616 and 1632 batteries. Just a tiny bit of standardisation would be great.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Back in the 80s if you had a nicked Ford digital radio you could reset the security code by putting it in the freezer overnight so the battery voltage dropped low enough to lose the settings.

Not that I ever had a stolen ford radio you understand.

 

[Vixen]

What "negligent conditions" would those be? Also, what do you mean by "exact vehicle?"




Most politicians could be earning far more in the private sector than their public salaries. This proves exactly nothing.




The obvious answer is because the Tories are likely to get wiped out, and parties in power that expect to lose almost invariably put off elections as long as possible.




You have zero evidence for any of this; it's simply a ridiculous conspiracy theory you've dreamed up.

Evidence is:

• lack of sprinklers, as recommended in the Merseyside Fire Brigade report into Liverpoool King's Dock Fire 2018
• The use of aluminium drainage pipes to disperse leaked petrochemicals, ditto.

In addition, NFPA mandated in Nov 2022 it be compulsory to have a sprinkler system in parking garages.

None of this was in place at Luton, and as confirmed by Andrew Hopkinson.

This equates to negligence, possibly even gross negligence, given it was an airport, which requires extra sensitivity to public safety and security issues.

Oh, and as for exact vehicle, we have not been told and I note the King's Dock report does not specify the vehicle either, even though it is commonly held to have been a Range Rover and the Liverpool Mayor is quoted in LIVERPOOL ECHO as saying it had been subjected to a 'fuel modification'.

Sunak was Chancellor at the time, so join up the dots, although that is subject to speculation, obvs.

 

[Mojo]

Evidence is:

• lack of sprinklers, as recommended in the Merseyside Fire Brigade report into Liverpoool King's Dock Fire 2018
• The use of aluminium drainage pipes to disperse leaked petrochemicals, ditto.

In addition, NFPA mandated in Nov 2022 it be compulsory to have a sprinkler system in parking garages.

None of this was in place at Luton, and as confirmed by Andrew Hopkinson.

This equates to negligence, possibly even gross negligence, given it was an airport, which requires extra sensitivity to public safety and security issues.

What does any of that have to do with the Tata JLR brand?

 

[Vixen]

Except she's in the weird position that she doesn't want to say that BF&R is lying, so it's hard to say that they're lying because Sunak told them to.

I don't really know why she wants to avoid the word "lie". It leads to ridiculous claims that

• The initial vehicle was an EV or a hybrid.
• The statement "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle," announced by the fire department, is not a lie.

Look. When Mr. Hopkinson made his statement without any impropriety whatsoever, he was unaware at the time that a member of the public, the Romanian lady, had taken a video on her smart phone (rather dangerously, given the rapidly developing situation). So, whilst he was offering the opinion it was a 'diesel' vehicle, 'at this stage subject to verification', the video that was widely circulated on social media and the national press (even as a BBC video) - none of them able to officially confirm its authenticity - but which showed a clear thermal runaway fire.

To date, the Beds FR&S have declined to confirm the video as being authentic. This could be because they were/are still investigating or because it spoils the narrative of a 'diesel-fueled' vehicle only and not any type of electric one.

An initial report said the Romanian lady described it as 'the fuel tank exploding' but since the fire was at the front of the vehicle, either she was mistaken, or there were (improbably) two separate events in the same vehicle, one at the from and one at the back spontaneously. Of course, if it was a case of a plastic tank exploding, then it would explain the rapid spread of the fire as well.

So, unfortunately for the official line, there are at least two different videos that undermine the claim it was not an EV of any type.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Well, better than melting at low temperature.

I imagine Vixen assumes that the pipes should have been made of unobtainium, so that they wouldn't have melted at any temperature.

 

[Vixen]

Not remotely plausible in a vehicle which did not have a lithium battery. We know it did not have a lithium battery because the fire service says so unequivocally. The fire service is extraordinarily unlikely to be lying.

Therefore your "almost certainly" claim is obviously false as it requires an absurdly unlikely set of circumstances to be true.

He said, not knowing a member of the public had a video!

 

[Mojo]

Look. When Mr. Hopkinson made his statement without any impropriety whatsoever, he was unaware at the time that a member of the public, the Romanian lady, had taken a video on her smart phone (rather dangerously, given the rapidly developing situation). So, whilst he was offering the opinion it was a 'diesel' vehicle, 'at this stage subject to verification', the video that was widely circulated on social media and the national press (even as a BBC video) - none of them able to officially confirm its authenticity - but which showed a clear thermal runaway fire.

To date, the Beds FR&S have declined to confirm the video as being authentic. This could be because they were/are still investigating or because it spoils the narrative of a 'diesel-fueled' vehicle only and not any type of electric one.

An initial report said the Romanian lady described it as 'the fuel tank exploding' but since the fire was at the front of the vehicle, either she was mistaken, or there were (improbably) two separate events in the same vehicle, one at the from and one at the back spontaneously. Of course, if it was a case of a plastic tank exploding, then it would explain the rapid spread of the fire as well.

So, unfortunately for the official line, there are at least two different videos that undermine the claim it was not an EV of any type.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally

The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.

Vixen, is it your position that that statement is true?

 

[Steve]

Evidence is:

• lack of sprinklers, as recommended in the Merseyside Fire Brigade report into Liverpoool King's Dock Fire 2018
• The use of aluminium drainage pipes to disperse leaked petrochemicals, ditto.

In addition, NFPA mandated in Nov 2022 it be compulsory to have a sprinkler system in parking garages.

None of this was in place at Luton, and as confirmed by Andrew Hopkinson.

This equates to negligence, possibly even gross negligence, given it was an airport, which requires extra sensitivity to public safety and security issues.

Oh, and as for exact vehicle, we have not been told and I note the King's Dock report does not specify the vehicle either, even though it is commonly held to have been a Range Rover and the Liverpool Mayor is quoted in LIVERPOOL ECHO as saying it had been subjected to a 'fuel modification'.

Sunak was Chancellor at the time, so join up the dots, although that is subject to speculation, obvs.

Builders prior to 2019 were negligent because they didn't follow the 2023 code?

 

[Vixen]

This is going to revolutionize law enforcement. Any time someone doesn't speak with linguistic perfection, that will be grounds for immediate arrest.

Seriously though, this is the same crap Apollo hoax idiots spew about the Apollo 11 crew's public speaking appearances. I'd be more inclined to suspect someone who spoke with perfect fluency, because that's not how people actually speak in the vast majority of real life verbal interactions.

Back to the topic. Did you have time to look at the video I supplied you with yet? What does location 1:04 remind you of?



https://youtu.be/M9Cl6_Y2rXU?si=kz5BJhVVYmfq5fj6

Be honest about what you see.

 

[Mojo]

Be honest about what you see.

I see a conspiracy theorist flailing wildly.