Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Foster Zygote]

To address your points, the photo of the back of the vehicle was taken by a random member of the public who was at their car at the time. It is widely shown everywhere. Therefore, there is no reason the video of the front of the car should not also have been taken up by the media. It has not, which clearly suggests they are unable to authenticate it. The press agency syndicates will rarely accept a video or photo that has clearly been edited or photoshopped (the one recently in the SUN newspaper claiming to be a youthful Kate Middleton bouncing along spritely at a farm shop, a notable exception to the rule).

There are any number of reasons why it wouldn't have been "picked up", the number one reason being that news agencies can't just publish other people's videos or photos without their permission. Maybe the person who shot the original image contacted the press? Maybe the other person didn't. Your assumption that you know everything, and therefore know what should have happened is getting downright comical.

I do not need to do any geometry on it because I understand how perspective works in art.

There are no references in those images that can tell you what the actual direction of gravitational acceleration is relative to the floor or camera. You can only measure the orientation of the structure relative to the camera, and with no way to determine the precise orientation of the camera compared to gravitational level, you cannot honestly claim that the floor is sloping different directions in the images. You've literally demonstrated your lack of knowledge about geometry, but you think you can counter it by simply asserting your understanding. So prove it. Explain how you know the orientation of the camera lenses related to gravity. Otherwise, you can't claim to know which way the floor is sloping.

A possible reason for faking the video could be to stop the anti-EV brigade from claiming it was an EV fire by pointing to a Range Rover that was outside the time frame to have been a mild EV. If it is genuine, why have the press covered it up and not published it, nor BF&RS's named it on their webpage as being the model make and year? So you see it is not a 'conspiracy theory': they really have not named the model, make and year of the vehicle involved as a matter of fact.

They haven't issued the finished report yet. The only reason they've gone out of their way to specify that it was a diesel car is because of all the nuts from the Daily Mail readership playing armchair detective making inquiries about it being an EV.

Again, the first image shows a Range Rover that was available with a diesel engine. Why would they need to fake another image of the same type of vehicle, but with a "floating hood", "mismatched paint lines" and "floor sloping the wrong way", plus, probably, a Badge Man and some alien reptile overlords in the background for.good measure?

 

[gabeygoat]

I'm pretty sure that Sunak pressured the twitter user with 200 followers to do do everything in their power to protect his financial interests.

 

[Dabop]

Every word has a meaning. Gosh, poets have deep insights unfamiliar to us common folk.

“Must a name mean something?” Alice asks Humpty Dumpty, only to get this answer: “When I use a word… it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

In Vixen world...
'Must a word mean something?'
'When I use a word… it means just whatever I choose it to mean'

Something conspiracy theorists do on a regular basis in fact, redefine words so that they mean exactly what the conspiracy theorist needs them to mean- even if nobody else accepts that definition...

Ninja'd by PJ Denyer lol- seems that Vixens behavioural habits are quite noticeable lol

 

[Dabop]

I do not need to do any geometry on it because I understand how perspective works in art.

'Art' is made up, and does not relate to how things work in real life...

This does not make you a master builder....

 

[P.J. Denyer]

In Vixen world...
'Must a word mean something?'
'When I use a word… it means just whatever I choose it to mean'

Something conspiracy theorists do on a regular basis in fact, redefine words so that they mean exactly what the conspiracy theorist needs them to mean- even if nobody else accepts that definition...

Ninja'd by PJ Denyer lol- seems that Vixens behavioural habits are quite noticeable lol

To be fair the the real credit goes back to GlenB

https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14154730&postcount=103

With an appropriately hilarious response-:
https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14154750#post14154750

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It has a flash point which is very high and most likely will occur in the tank as vapour.



Otherwise some kind of catalyst is needed, such as compression or heating up to 500ºC, which won't happen of its own accord.

So? Diesel needs a source of ignition. Diesel car fires do happen. So the combination of fuel leaks and sources of ignition do happen. What are you arguing for here? Are you trying to deny diesels are much represented in car fire statistics? You would be wrong.

 

[Mojo]

Have you found a source for your claim it was a RR Sport 2014, yet? Preferably not an anonymous blogger or tweeter.

Have you found a source for your claim that a firefighter from Harpenden said it looked like a lithium-ion battery fire yet? Preferably not an anonymous blogger, tweeter, or youtuber.

In fact, preferably the newspaper report you claim to have seen it in.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Have you found a source for your claim that a firefighter from Harpenden said it looked like a lithium-ion battery fire yet? Preferably not an anonymous blogger, tweeter, or youtuber.



In fact, preferably the newspaper report you claim to have seen it in.

Hopefully with a byline for the diligent reporter who interviewed the firefighter at the scene. I can just picture him, with his press pass tucked into his hat band.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So? Diesel needs a source of ignition. Diesel car fires do happen. So the combination of fuel leaks and sources of ignition do happen. What are you arguing for here? Are you trying to deny diesels are much represented in car fire statistics? You would be wrong.

Keep in mind that Vixen has actually seen a video of a dish of diesel oil being ignited with a common match.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

It might be polite if you reminded me what your question is.

Why do you always insist we spoonfeed you?

 

[Vixen]

I'm pretty sure that Sunak pressured the twitter user with 200 followers to do do everything in their power to protect his financial interests.

Sunak meets with Rupert Murdoch about five times a year and it is not to chat about the weather. Murdoch is a known republican but he has to stay within the boundaries to continue to have the government's ear and approval of what gets published in his stable of newspapers, which includes the SUN, the TIMES and a couple of others.

So, if the four second video of the front of the blazing car is by one of his spads it'll likely be one of the same team which created his polished leadership campaign video well ahead of Johnson even being VONC-ed out.

More likely, if faked, by an EVangelist, a social media 'clever dick', or an intelligence operative producing misinformation.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Sunak meets with Rupert Murdoch about five times a year and it is not to chat about the weather. Murdoch is a known republican but he has to stay within the boundaries to continue to have the government's ear and approval of what gets published in his stable of newspapers, which includes the SUN, the TIMES and a couple of others.

So, if the four second video of the front of the blazing car is by one of his spads it'll likely be one of the same team which created his polished leadership campaign video well ahead of Johnson even being VONC-ed out.

More likely, if faked, by an EVangelist, a social media 'clever dick', or an intelligence operative producing misinformation.

Is the fire service telling deliberate lies when it says the car was a diesel?

 

[Mojo]

Keep in mind that Vixen has actually seen a video of a dish of diesel oil being ignited with a common match.

I expect that will turn out to be a 'deep fake'.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... if the four second video of the front of the blazing car is by one of his spads it'll likely be one of the same team which created his polished leadership campaign video well ahead of Johnson even being VONC-ed out.

More likely, if faked, by an EVangelist, a social media 'clever dick', or an intelligence operative producing misinformation.

You've decided that one of the two videos you saw on twitter within a couple of days of the fire was real and one was a fake. And you know it's fake because someone claimed they could read the number plate, which is unacceptable as it contradicts your secret EV conspiracy theory therefore it must be disinformation. And you think it was most likely produced by someone working directly for the Prime Minister, because you noticed he has previously had people to help him make a campaign video, and who else has access that kind of technology?

Well, when you take a step back and consider it, that sounds insane.

Also, throwing in stuff like "EVangelist" and "intelligence operative" make you sound as if you have spent an unhealthy amount of time immersed in crank social media chatter and have picked up their lingo.

 

[Vixen]

Every word has a meaning. Gosh, poets have deep insights unfamiliar to us common folk.

To be sure, many words have several meanings (some poets might use this fact) and phrases may have different meanings than their constituent parts might suggest. "Conspiracy theory", for instance, might just mean something different than "a theory about a conspiracy".

'Conspiracy theory' has come to mean 'ridiculous lunatic theory' of the David Icke/Dan Brown type, purveyed to make its authors a lot of money. For example, there is a lot of money to be made out of outrageous 9/11 theories. However, that does not mean that people genuinely interested in the logistics of what exactly happened are also loonies who must be censored by any means necessary.

In the case of the Luton Airport car park fire there are many experts and commentators who are sceptical of the initial claims and of the failure to provide concrete information as to the make of the car involved. This does not make it a 'conspiracy theory' along the lines of 'the Covid virus is a hoax designed to force people into taking jabs which contain silicon chips connecting to the nearest mast in order to enrich Bill Gates'.

 

[Mojo]

In the case of the Luton Airport car park fire there are many experts and commentators who are sceptical of the initial claims and of the failure to provide concrete information as to the make of the car involved.

Such as?

 

[Vixen]

Burning diesel gives off black smoke?

Here's HMS Sirius at sea. They were steam powered and burned diesel in a furnace to heat the boiler.

Don't see much black smoke.

That is at sea with no impediment to the amount of air needed to combust the fuel fully. In a diesel fuelled car, exhaust pipes are needed and in a car fire, especially within an enclosed space such as a low-ceilinged car park, a diesel fire combusts only semi-successfully, hence the appearance of sooty flames and thick black smoke.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That is at sea with no impediment to the amount of air needed to combust the fuel fully. In a diesel fuelled car, exhaust pipes are needed and in a car fire, especially within an enclosed space such as a low-ceilinged car park, a diesel fire combusts only semi-successfully, hence the appearance of sooty flames and thick black smoke.

So with enough air to burn there isn't any smoke?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

'Conspiracy theory' has come to mean 'ridiculous lunatic theory' of the David Icke/Dan Brown type, purveyed to make its authors a lot of money. For example, there is a lot of money to be made out of outrageous 9/11 theories. However, that does not mean that people genuinely interested in the logistics of what exactly happened are also loonies who must be censored by any means necessary.

Conspiracy theories attract grifters. This one, in its own small way, is fodder for anti-EV types with monetised YouTube channels. Less so now that the fire service has been absolutely clear it was a diesel car. Now only a hard core of conspiracists are left. Those who cannot admit error. With an ever-growing conspiracy to protect their fantasy from the rising tide of mundane reality telling them it was just a regular car fire.

In the case of the Luton Airport car park fire there are many experts and commentators who are sceptical of the initial claims and of the failure to provide concrete information as to the make of the car involved.

Are the 'many experts' in the room with us now? Can you point to them?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... in a car fire, especially within an enclosed space such as a low-ceilinged car park, a diesel fire combusts only semi-successfully, hence the appearance of sooty flames and thick black smoke.

Does your 4-second deepfake video show a fire sufficiently developed that it lacks the supply of oxygen required for complete combustion? I think that it doesn't, and I think that you're just googling stuff and throwing it at the forum to see if it sticks.