Split Thread Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla

[plague311]

Not a temper tantrum and not "what about-ism." Just adding a little reality to this MDS **** show.

Is that the new thing for you? Everything xDS? TDS, MDS, etc.? You ever think that maybe you just fawn over complete ******** that you view as "alpha males" out of some weirdly misplaced respect? It was literally a whataboutism by definition. If you can't see that then go back to whataboutism school.

For you it's not about the numbers, it's about Musk's personality. Classic MDS.

Classic lack of reading comprehension. I know that this will probably blow your mind, but two things can be true at once. Like both things I claimed in my post. The EV market is slipping, and Tesla's slip appears to be two fold. The market in general, and Musk acting the way he does. I don't expect to change your mind though. You love him. Good for you, I'm happy you found someone.

Yeah sure, if you say so.

It's not just me, but you stick to those guns slugger. You totally don't appear to be blindly jock riding a billionaire at all. This is all normal behavior.

 

[Bogative]

I’m going to have to save this for my annual review. My boss will love it.

Our clients may not find it as funny.

When it comes to SpaceX reaching Mars, there is no boss and there is no client so it does not matter how long it takes to get there. The only people Musk has to worry about disappointing is himself, and the peanut gallery when he finally makes it.

 

[Bogative]

Is that the new thing for you? Everything xDS? TDS, MDS, etc.? You ever think that maybe you just fawn over complete ******** that you view as "alpha males" out of some weirdly misplaced respect?

Never thought of him as an alpha, just someone who has accomplished some amazing things and doesn't cave to the censorship demands of petty tyrants and wanna-be authoritarians.

However, I do point and laugh at the beta conniption fits over Musk that are put on display here and elsewhere.

 

[Aridas]

Never thought of him as an alpha, just someone who has accomplished some amazing things and doesn't cave to the censorship demands of petty tyrants and wanna-be authoritarians.

Err... Haven't been paying attention, eh? Musk has caved a number of times. Turkey, in particular, comes to mind as an easy example.

 

[plague311]

Never thought of him as an alpha, just someone who has accomplished some amazing things and doesn't cave to the censorship demands of petty tyrants and wanna-be authoritarians.

Yeah, I'm glad Musk doesn't try to censor speech or get in bed with authoritarian governments. This totally makes me believe you don't blindly worship him based on my aforementioned criteria. You call this being impartial?

However, I do point and laugh at the beta conniption fits over Musk that are put on display here and elsewhere.

My mom used to always say, "When you point at someone, just remember you got 3 fingers pointing back at you."

I'll let you get back to your fawning Musk fanboi'ism.

Err... Haven't been paying attention, eh? Musk has caved a number of times. Turkey, in particular, comes to mind as an easy example.

He knows. He just doesn't care.

 

[theprestige]

Is that the new thing for you? Everything xDS? TDS, MDS, etc.?

It's the special pleading, nonsense complaints, and weird abdication of agency that denote a "derangement syndrome".

Musk says and does a lot of stupid stuff, no doubt. It would be reasonable to have a thread pointing and laughing at the stupid stuff he says and does. But no, instead we find the haters going much further than that.

They're so annoyed by all the stupid stuff he says and does, that they have to start hating on everything he's involved with, whether that hatred makes sense or not. Even in a thread dedicated to condemning Musk for his sins, it doesn't make sense to condemn him for having a car company that has Normal Car Company Problems. Or worse is doing Normal Car Company Things, that aren't even problems once you understand that they're actually standard industry practices. That's special pleading, and deranged.

They're so annoyed by all the stupid stuff he says and does, that they skip right past all the reasonable complaints, to absolutely unhinged complaints that make no sense at all. Bizarre conspiracy-theoretical nonsense, like the idea that Falcon is somehow a scam.

And the weird abdication of agency. Musk craves attention? Stipulated. Musk says and does outrageous things to get attention? Stipulated. Therefore you have no choice but to give him attention, subject his companies to special pleading and bizarre conspiracy theories, and generally behave like a mirror-universe Elon Musk fangirl? Very much not stipulated. Very much the epitome of a "derangement syndrome".

Stop advancing a deranged epistemology of Elon Musk and his works, and you'll find the allegations of MDS land elsewhere, missing you entirely.

 

[8enotto]

My take is Tesla/SpaceX and a few of his companies have a questionable CEO and probably would do better without musk.
Let him run crap like Twatter or Douche Social into the ground and control the casualties he causes. But get him out of the way of real progress.

I see his antics on YT and frankly it's hard to see him different than pillow boy or most MAGAts of high profile.

Tesla could do better focusing resources on useful projects and mass production of cars. Get a better repair network out there with spare parts, chargers in key locations and fix the bugs on existing models.
From there special projects or limited edition stuff for superfans. And get the bugs worked out before selling them.

 

[Checkmite]

They're so annoyed by all the stupid stuff he says and does, that they have to start hating on everything he's involved with, whether that hatred makes sense or not. Even in a thread dedicated to condemning Musk for his sins, it doesn't make sense to condemn him for having a car company that has Normal Car Company Problems. Or worse is doing Normal Car Company Things, that aren't even problems once you understand that they're actually standard industry practices. That's special pleading, and deranged.

The mockery of Musk is in part a reaction to the antics of his body of fans, which are a self-organizing high-control group that quite literally mythologizes him and uses hypebro newspeak terms like "FUD" to chill any less-than-positive discourse about him or any of his enterprises, treating all of these more or less as metaphysical extensions of the man. This is partially why actual Tesla owners who post about problems with their car for instance always feel compelled to chase complaints with placation. "This car seriously almost killed me but anyway 10/10 would absolutely buy again". They don't want to be excommunicated.

Like it or not, Musk is an icon. And icons will, and in my opinion should, attract the attention of iconoclasts.

 

[Roboramma]

It's the special pleading, nonsense complaints, and weird abdication of agency that denote a "derangement syndrome".

Musk says and does a lot of stupid stuff, no doubt. It would be reasonable to have a thread pointing and laughing at the stupid stuff he says and does. But no, instead we find the haters going much further than that.

They're so annoyed by all the stupid stuff he says and does, that they have to start hating on everything he's involved with, whether that hatred makes sense or not. Even in a thread dedicated to condemning Musk for his sins, it doesn't make sense to condemn him for having a car company that has Normal Car Company Problems. Or worse is doing Normal Car Company Things, that aren't even problems once you understand that they're actually standard industry practices. That's special pleading, and deranged.

They're so annoyed by all the stupid stuff he says and does, that they skip right past all the reasonable complaints, to absolutely unhinged complaints that make no sense at all. Bizarre conspiracy-theoretical nonsense, like the idea that Falcon is somehow a scam.

And the weird abdication of agency. Musk craves attention? Stipulated. Musk says and does outrageous things to get attention? Stipulated. Therefore you have no choice but to give him attention, subject his companies to special pleading and bizarre conspiracy theories, and generally behave like a mirror-universe Elon Musk fangirl? Very much not stipulated. Very much the epitome of a "derangement syndrome".

Stop advancing a deranged epistemology of Elon Musk and his works, and you'll find the allegations of MDS land elsewhere, missing you entirely.

In support of this viewpoint, I offer the fact that democrats (and independents) are becoming less enthusiastic about electric cars. This change seems to fall in with the timeline of Musk buys twitter and says crazy **** followed by many on the left not just disagreeing with the crazy ****, but becoming opposed to everything he's involved in.

 

[a_unique_person]

I'm still interested in buying one. It's going to be one I can afford.

 

[Bogative]

In support of this viewpoint, I offer the fact that democrats (and independents) are becoming less enthusiastic about electric cars. This change seems to fall in with the timeline of Musk buys twitter and says crazy **** followed by many on the left not just disagreeing with the crazy ****, but becoming opposed to everything he's involved in.

It's been entertaining watching left-wingers/democrats go from forming two lines wherever their Green Messiah went to turning him into a Hitleresque figure because he refuses to silence their political opposition.

 

[Bogative]

Err... Haven't been paying attention, eh? Musk has caved a number of times. Turkey, in particular, comes to mind as an easy example.

I'm mot really that concerned about foreign governments, I'm talking about the petty tyrants and wannabe authoritarians here at home.

 

[Roboramma]

Personally I think that Musk has done both good and bad things. Sam Harris has had a couple of pretty good rants about the dumb **** Musk has done recently, and some of the harm it's caused. I found myself agreeing with most of the anti-Musk things he's said. But I'm still a fan of SpaceX and (less so) of Tesla, and even think that while those companies successes may not be entirely on the shoulders of Musk, he has been an integral part of them.

 

[a_unique_person]

It's been entertaining watching left-wingers/democrats go from forming two lines wherever their Green Messiah went to turning him into a Hitleresque figure because he refuses to silence their political opposition.

I don't know that you thought people had to hold a dogmatic view of life. I try to go where the evidence and events lead me.

 

[Aridas]

I'm mot really that concerned about foreign governments, I'm talking about the petty tyrants and wannabe authoritarians here at home.

I see. "Caved" isn't the right word when he acted to support the actual authoritarians and wannabe tyrants from the start, after all.

There are lines that you could realistically use to defend Musk. He has meaningfully contributed to a bunch of good things, after all. That's just not really one of them, though, gaslighting and up is down level logic aside. Musk's record with "Free Speech" is terrible, contrary to his hype. It's far more correct to say that that Musk supports controlled speech with him in control. It's fine to be pleased if that makes the discourse more friendly to positions that you hold, but please don't confuse that with the pretense.

 

[jeremyp]

This is interesting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqqndqndpq5o

Tesla is seeking to hold a second shareholder vote on his excessive remuneration package that got nullified by the courts.

I'd say the optics on this are questionable: Tesla has just laid off 10% of its workforce but is trying to pay Musk $56 billion.

Of course, it's really only $56 billion in share options and Musk has to hit certain targets that are now looking unlikely in order to get the full package and shareholders look on reducing labour costs as a win, generally.

Also, amusing typo:

The decision outraged Mr Musk, who subsequently threatened to move Tesla's headquarters from Delaware to Tesla.

 

[Darat]

There's a "physical" recall for the Cybertruck, apparently a pedal cover can slip off, not surprising to have such issues with new vehicles, but what I was wondering about is the number being mentioned, which is around 4000. Is that all the Cybertrucks that have been delivered or is it limited to one specific trim/option package only affecting 4000?

 

[Shrinker]

There's a "physical" recall for the Cybertruck, apparently a pedal cover can slip off, not surprising to have such issues with new vehicles, but what I was wondering about is the number being mentioned, which is around 4000. Is that all the Cybertrucks that have been delivered or is it limited to one specific trim/option package only affecting 4000?

It's all of them. I'll quote The Verge, because I love this handy explainer on percentages...

The recall impacts “all Model Year (‘MY’) 2024 Cybertruck vehicles manufactured from November 13, 2023, to April 4, 2024,” with the fault estimated to be present in 100 percent of the total 3,878 vehicles. This is essentially every Cybertruck delivered to customers since its launch event last year.

 

[Shrinker]

3878 might sound meagre on the face of it, but that's more armoured personnel carriers than the Russian armed forces.

It's also in line with similar products.

Despite the polarizing looks, questionable quality, and many other issues, the Cybertruck is already threatening established models like the Rivian R1T, which sold 2,399 trucks in the first three months of this year. That number jumps to 3,562 deliveries with December 2023 sales added. But it still trails Tesla.

 

[Darat]

It's all of them. I'll quote The Verge, because I love this handy explainer on percentages...

Thanks.