U.S. Border and Immigration

I think Trump's comment about how the problem with Emigrants is they don't come form the right countries, and then listed the right countries, as Denmark, Sweden and other White European countries shows where he is coming from on immigration.
 
dudalb said:
I think Trump's comment about how the problem with Emigrants is they don't come form the right countries, and then listed the right countries, as Denmark, Sweden and other White European countries shows where he is coming from on immigration.
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The funny thing, if he lived in the Fascist, whiter than white, world of his dreams, he'd be the first against the wall.

After all, small handed, fat, redheads are genetic rejects.
 
dudalb said:
I think Trump's comment about how the problem with Emigrants is they don't come form the right countries, and then listed the right countries, as Denmark, Sweden and other White European countries shows where he is coming from on immigration.
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Funny, those are also the countries that American Progressives like to point to as good examples.
 
Emily's Cat said:
The US let's in a lot of people based on what they have to offer the US, and we make it pretty easy to work here, especially for skilled labor and in-demand professions. US immigration policy is pretty good.
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Nope, the US does not, we actually make it quite difficult for professionals anyway.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-everyone-moving-to-canada/
It's not our immigration policy that's in question - it's how we handle people who are not legally immigrating, who do not have a skilled trade or in-demand profession, and what we do with them after they've already entered illegally.

Those are two very different things.
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That's also an issue.
 
Norman Alexander said:
My question remains: Why not remove residence rights and any US citizenship of ALL criminals and throw them into Mexico...or Canada if that is closer...and slam the door on them. Why are criminals who are illegals any worse than the same criminals who are citizens? So why not give them ALL the same treatment
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Well, considering who commits the disproportionate number of crimes in this country, it would be racist.

Any racial disparities is evidence of discrimination.

Why do you hate black people?

Next we will be getting the pure blonde Aryan race shtick. Then recommendations for separation, removal and elimination. Seen it before, it was crap then, it's crap now.
 
dudalb said:
I think Trump's comment about how the problem with Emigrants is they don't come form the right countries, and then listed the right countries, as Denmark, Sweden and other White European countries shows where he is coming from on immigration.
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Why would residents of those countries WANT to emigrate to Trump's America?
 
ahhell said:
a. Less than 10% of us prisoners are in private prisons, its really a red herring when it comes to talking about problems with the US justice and penal system. Its also a trailing indicator, private prisons started expanding after the US started passing a bunch of tough on crime rates. I also can't help but notice that the folks who complain about private prisons, never seem to complain about prison guard unions, who tend to lobby for the same sorts of laws as private prison companies, except, the also lobby for banning private prisons.

But, that's all a side track.

As anyone actually proposed anything useful in this thread? What should the US do regarding the border and immigration? Personally, I think we should copy Canada with our immigration policy and start actually controlling our border.
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Make it a lot easier for people to legally immigrate into the country or extend their visas when in the country. All of the "immigration problems" are self imposed.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Make it a lot easier for people to legally immigrate into the country or extend their visas when in the country. All of the "immigration problems" are self imposed.
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One of my long term grumbles about conservative immigration policy is that we never actually hear what their legal immigration policy would be. We get a lot of "build the wall", "secure the border" nonsense, but when it comes down to what they think the actual policy should be, crickets.

Sometimes they give us some nonsense about how the border has to be secured first, then they can have a discussion about what our legal immigration policy should be, but that just doesn't track. There is nothing preventing the GOP from announcing what their preferred legal immigration policy should be before the border is "secure". It makes even less sense when you realize that a coherent legal immigration policy could go a long way to resolving our illegal immigration issues.
 
Random said:
One of my long term grumbles about conservative immigration policy is that we never actually hear what their legal immigration policy would be. We get a lot of "build the wall", "secure the border" nonsense, but when it comes down to what they think the actual policy should be, crickets.
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We all know what their legal immigration policy would be. They'll never admit it, because anyone who wants to know knows, and anyone who claims not to know doesn't want to know, but really even the no-knows know, you know?
 
So, what would progressive border policy be? Let everyone in who wants to be here? Are there any limits?

It's silly to say the problems are self imposed when there are literally millions of people trying to cross the border every year.

I do love the monocausal explanation, it certainly explains South Africa's problems with illegal immigration.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/07/1103445432/south-africa-anti-immigrant-operation-dudula
 
Some of the questions I have been contemplating is, what does a secure border look like? What does this really mean? We can never prevent 100% of illegal entry into this country so is there a metric we can apply? And if so, what measures are required to meet that metric?

I don't have any answers but I am highly skeptical that a physical wall across the entire southern board would do anything.
 
ahhell said:
So, what would progressive border policy be? Let everyone in who wants to be here? Are there any limits?

It's silly to say the problems are self imposed when there are literally millions of people trying to cross the border every year.

I do love the monocausal explanation, it certainly explains South Africa's problems with illegal immigration.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/07/1103445432/south-africa-anti-immigrant-operation-dudula
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Some US anti-immigrant protesters would love to do what happened in South Africa : an innocent person gets necklaced...
 
seayakin said:
Some of the questions I have been contemplating is, what does a secure border look like? What does this really mean? We can never prevent 100% of illegal entry into this country so is there a metric we can apply? And if so, what measures are required to meet that metric?

I don't have any answers but I am highly skeptical that a physical wall across the entire southern board would do anything.
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Of course it would'nt. You would have tunnels under it within a few weeks..if that long.
I am not gainst border controls...a certain number of bad actors are going to try to sneak in and you have to try to stop them..but a Wall would do nothikng toward that.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Some US anti-immigrant protesters would love to do what happened in South Africa : an innocent person gets necklaced...
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I have no doubt that's true, it is far from the majority of folks that are concerned about what's going on at the US border. It certainly looks like chaos and looks like we basically have no control over who comes into the country. Well meaning very nice folk could totally be concerned about that without being murderous racists.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
That is definitely NOT what he said.
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He certainly didn't say we have any right to control who comes in here.

The reality is we need some kind of compromise which includes limits on who can come here. We also need to allow more folks in legally and we need to make the process easier to do legally. While I understand Trump blew up the recent deal so, right know its clearly more the fault of the GOP that we have a jacked-up immigration policy, the Dems aren't blameless. Both parties have had control of both houses and the presidency for a time in the last 20 years, neither party did **** about it. The Dems ignored the obvious crisis for 2 and half years and the only reason they tried to make a deal is because it was clearly hurting their chances in the upcoming election.

And some says the solution just let in more people and let them stay longer. So, what's an acceptable number and an acceptable length of time?

To be clear because someone will just say both sides! I get that the Reps are worse on this issue right now, the blew up a deal for politics and because Trump said so. **** them. What can we actually do? I'd rather not get lectured by someone from a place that has had far more trouble keeping people there than keeping people out.
 
ahhell said:
I have no doubt that's true, it is far from the majority of folks that are concerned about what's going on at the US border. It certainly looks like chaos and looks like we basically have no control over who comes into the country. Well meaning very nice folk could totally be concerned about that without being murderous racists.
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Just because it looks like chaos to some, does not mean it IS chaos. And just because some biased people SAY it is chaos, does not mean it IS chaos. It could be, but more likely it is chaotic only sometimes and in specific places.

To be clear: personally I have no problem with the USA setting and consistently enforcing its own border rules. Definitely not in favour of a free-for-all either, for the USA or my own country. But I suggest that these rules need to be flexible enough to change with changing circumstances. They did in the past, no reason they can't now and in future.
 
ahhell said:
He certainly didn't say we have any right to control who comes in here.

The reality is we need some kind of compromise which includes limits on who can come here. We also need to allow more folks in legally and we need to make the process easier to do legally. While I understand Trump blew up the recent deal so, right know its clearly more the fault of the GOP that we have a jacked-up immigration policy, the Dems aren't blameless. Both parties have had control of both houses and the presidency for a time in the last 20 years, neither party did **** about it. The Dems ignored the obvious crisis for 2 and half years and the only reason they tried to make a deal is because it was clearly hurting their chances in the upcoming election.
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All obviously true. The highlighted part is the bit that always needs constant review.

And some says the solution just let in more people and let them stay longer. So, what's an acceptable number and an acceptable length of time?
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"Let people in" is a very broad term so perhaps the rhetoric needs to be slowed down and clarification applied. Some go down a slippery slope argument very quickly, and take that phrase to mean "send the border police home, throw the gates open and don't do any checking". Which I don't agree with myself.

To be clear because someone will just say both sides! I get that the Reps are worse on this issue right now, the blew up a deal for politics and because Trump said so. **** them. What can we actually do? I'd rather not get lectured by someone from a place that has had far more trouble keeping people there than keeping people out.
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Do you mean Australia in this comment??
 
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