U.S. Border and Immigration

[Norman Alexander]

I'm sorry you are too dense to understand sarcasm. I will try to remember that in our future interactions.

Or you're just not very good at it.

 

[Bogative]

You added this bit of your own to selected bits of the original report to make it sound like Fox News, a right-wing bully-pulpit, actually said it. I'm beginning to doubt your honesty and integrity.

Not surprising that your intellectual shortfalls would lead you to false beliefs.

If I had placed the quote tags around any part of my post I could understand your reasons, but I didn't so this is your problem, not mine.


And don't think I didn't notice you deflection away from the child rape.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Not surprising that your intellectual shortfalls would lead you to false beliefs.

If I had placed the quote tags around any part of my post I could understand your reasons, but I didn't so this is your problem, not mine.

Ah, you must be the one that has the best brain. Are you VERY rich too? How about owning a mansion in Palm Beach. Got one of those? You like golfing?

And so you can follow along...

And don't think I didn't notice you deflection away from the child rape.

Because American citizens don't do child rape, only illegal brown immigrants do that.

So let's have a look at the topic, shall we? ""U.S. Border and Immigration". Hmmm. Can't see any mention of child rape there... I'll look underneath it...nope. Round the back? Still nope. Seems child rape is not the actual topic after all. So have you moved on from race-baiting to "all immigrants are child rapists" now? Or are they all of a piece for you.

 

[Bogative]

Because American citizens don't do child rape, only illegal brown immigrants do that.

Don't forget school teachers.

So let's have a look at the topic, shall we? ""U.S. Border and Immigration". Hmmm. Can't see any mention of child rape there... I'll look underneath it...nope. Round the back? Still nope. Seems child rape is not the actual topic after all. So have you moved on from race-baiting to "all immigrants are child rapists" now? Or are they all of a piece for you.

Right. Ignore the criminality of illegal immigrants because it's not in the title of this thread. Gotcha.

Kinda like I'm supposed to ignore the overwhelming majority of mass shootings in the "Today's mass shooting" thread because they're not committed by white guys?

I'm starting to detect a pattern here. Ignore crimes committed by minorities, focus on the white guys.

 

[Steve]

I'm sorry you are too dense to understand sarcasm. I will try to remember that in our future interactions.

Or you're just not very good at it.

When a person makes a post that is consistent with many, many other of their posts, and then claims that single post as sarcasm, there is ample reason to not recognize it and accept it as such.

Or perhaps I am not giving credit where it is due. Perhaps all of that posters posts are sarcasm.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yeah, you're right; citizenship hasn't stopped the vast majority of murderers born and raised in the U.S.

To be fair, we all view murders of our own citizens, committed by our own citizens in a different light than murders of our citizens committed by foreign actors.

It's not an unreasonable position. We do the same thing with any number of altercations, where in-group status confers a different reaction than if the exact same action were done by someone with out-group status. It's extremely common. Here are some examples:

When a person hits their spouse, it's domestic violence; when a stranger hits their spouse, it's assault and battery.

When your spouse takes $50 out of your wallet without your permission, that's an argument, maybe a divorce. When a stranger takes $50 out of your wallet without your permission, that's theft.

When a parent sends their child to time out in a room that they're not allowed to leave, it's punishment for misbehavior. When a stranger sends a child that is not theirs to a room and won't let them leave, it's false imprisonment.

When a black person calls another black person the n-word, that's at worst distasteful. When a white person calls a black person the n-word, that's racist.

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The point here is not "omg an illegal alien did it!" The point is that it's extremely common, and arguably rational, to view crimes committed by a non-citizen as being worse than if the same crime had been committed by a citizen. At the very minimum, it is rational to view such crimes as being grounds for removal from the country and disqualification from that person ever being allowed back in.

 

[Norman Alexander]

When a person makes a post that is consistent with many, many other of their posts, and then claims that single post as sarcasm, there is ample reason to not recognize it and accept it as such.

Or perhaps I am not giving credit where it is due. Perhaps all of that posters posts are sarcasm.

It's the juvenile Trump tactic of "I didn't really mean what I said, it was just sarcasm" when there is any kickback. It has long been recognised that our interlocutor is also a race-baiting ****-stirrer. Point that out and confront with facts, and they run and hide behind "sarcasm". That's not very brave, is it.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Don't forget school teachers.

Or Catholic priests. Or clowns.

Right. Ignore the criminality of illegal immigrants because it's not in the title of this thread. Gotcha.

Kinda like I'm supposed to ignore the overwhelming majority of mass shootings in the "Today's mass shooting" thread because they're not committed by white guys?

I'm starting to detect a pattern here. Ignore crimes committed by minorities, focus on the white guys.

We can see your pattern. Ignore the white guys and focus on the brown people only. It does not seem to occur to you that crimes are colourblind. Or it does, but that doesn't suit your prejudices. Your focus is on the colour of criminals, not their crimes. So your solutions revolve around eliminating the colour, not the crimes. Next we will be getting the pure blonde Aryan race shtick. Then recommendations for separation, removal and elimination. Seen it before, it was crap then, it's crap now.

 

[Ron Obvious]

Or Catholic priests. Or clowns.
We can see your pattern. Ignore the white guys and focus on the brown people only. It does not seem to occur to you that crimes are colourblind. Or it does, but that doesn't suit your prejudices. Your focus is on the colour of criminals, not their crimes. So your solutions revolve around eliminating the colour, not the crimes. Next we will be getting the pure blonde Aryan race shtick. Then recommendations for separation, removal and elimination. Seen it before, it was crap then, it's crap now.

I think his point is that all crime committed by illegal aliens would not have been committed had they been prevented from coming here illegally in the first place.

 

[Bogative]

Next we will be getting the pure blonde Aryan race shtick. Then recommendations for separation, removal and elimination. Seen it before, it was crap then, it's crap now.

I've been posting on this board for 11 years, surely I have a history of it. Or maybe I'm playing the really really long game and going to wait another 11 years.

Just kidding. I don't believe that bull ****, you will never see me post it.

 

[Bogative]

I think his point is that all crime committed by illegal aliens would not have been committed had they been prevented from coming here illegally in the first place.

What you say is obvious, Ron Obvious, but the critical thinking skeptics here at ISF go full retard anytime they perceive any criticism of their favorite pet victim group. Sad.

 

[Bogative]

We can see your pattern. Ignore the white guys and focus on the brown people only.

Many people on this board have accused me of this, nobody has ever been able to back up their claims. Will you be the first?

Here's a post I made in a different thread offering others a chance to highlight the white guys I've been ignoring.
https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14201336&postcount=1129

You nor anyone else have been able to produce. Here's your chance.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I think his point is that all crime committed by illegal aliens would not have been committed had they been prevented from coming here illegally in the first place.

And lots of vital work for the whole nation, increased tax revenue and increased GDP, would not have been done by illegals had they been prevented from coming there illegally in the first place. But they stayed anyway and worked.

And lots of racial prejudice and violence by so-called Christian Americans would not have been committed ON illegal aliens had they been prevented from coming there illegally in the first place. But they stayed anyway and worked.

But let's look at this another way. Let's make it a rule that if ANYONE commits a crime such as this one illegal alien has committed then they get deported to Mexico permanently. And be sure to include deporting and uncitizening (?) US citizens in this rule too. Because the USA sure does not want ANY of these criminals to stay in the country. Yes? Agreed?

 

[Bogative]

But let's look at this another way. Let's make it a rule that if ANYONE commits a crime such as this one illegal alien has committed then they get deported to Mexico permanently. And be sure to include deporting and uncitizening (?) US citizens in this rule too. Because the USA sure does not want ANY of these criminals to stay in the country. Yes? Agreed?

No. Not agreed because it's ******* retarded.

Citizens of the United States have a right to be here. Illegal aliens who have crossed the border illegally eight times do not have a right to be here.

What "vital work" did this illegal alien contribute to the country, other than nearly decapitating his wife in front of their children and being arrested 11 times prior?

 

[Steve]

And lots of vital work for the whole nation, increased tax revenue and increased GDP, would not have been done by illegals had they been prevented from coming there illegally in the first place. But they stayed anyway and worked.

And lots of racial prejudice and violence by so-called Christian Americans would not have been committed ON illegal aliens had they been prevented from coming there illegally in the first place. But they stayed anyway and worked.

But let's look at this another way. Let's make it a rule that if ANYONE commits a crime such as this one illegal alien has committed then they get deported to Mexico permanently. And be sure to include deporting and uncitizening (?) US citizens in this rule too. Because the USA sure does not want ANY of these criminals to stay in the country. Yes? Agreed?

But then what would happen to the incredibly high incarceration rate populating your for-profit jails. They contribute to your economy too.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The migration issue could be solved for everyone's benefit if not for two factors:
- farmers love slave labor that who they can have deported if they don't want to pay them
and
- politicians have discovered that nothing gets them elected faster than demanding more border security. It's like printing votes.

American are being duped about the issue, and they are loving it.

 

[Norman Alexander]

But then what would happen to the incredibly high incarceration rate populating your for-profit jails. They contribute to your economy too.

So what difference is a minuscule handful of criminal illegals going to make to that, one way or another? A tiny fraction of a percentage point. The profit will be the same.

My question remains: Why not remove residence rights and any US citizenship of ALL criminals and throw them into Mexico...or Canada if that is closer...and slam the door on them. Why are criminals who are illegals any worse than the same criminals who are citizens? So why not give them ALL the same treatment

 

[Steve]

So what difference is a minuscule handful of criminal illegals going to make to that, one way or another? A tiny fraction of a percentage point. The profit will be the same.

My question remains: Why not remove residence rights and any US citizenship of ALL criminals and throw them into Mexico...or Canada if that is closer...and slam the door on them. Why are criminals who are illegals any worse than the same criminals who are citizens? So why not give them ALL the same treatment

I'm not following. Are you claiming the actual number of ALL criminals in the USA is miniscule?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

My question remains: Why not remove residence rights and any US citizenship of ALL criminals and throw them into Mexico...or Canada if that is closer...and slam the door on them. Why are criminals who are illegals any worse than the same criminals who are citizens? So why not give them ALL the same treatment

Sounds like you agree with an opinion held by many on the right (gasp) in the US - deport all illegal immigrants. Or, as you call them, illegals.

 

[ahhell]

a. Less than 10% of us prisoners are in private prisons, its really a red herring when it comes to talking about problems with the US justice and penal system. Its also a trailing indicator, private prisons started expanding after the US started passing a bunch of tough on crime rates. I also can't help but notice that the folks who complain about private prisons, never seem to complain about prison guard unions, who tend to lobby for the same sorts of laws as private prison companies, except, the also lobby for banning private prisons.

But, that's all a side track.

As anyone actually proposed anything useful in this thread? What should the US do regarding the border and immigration? Personally, I think we should copy Canada with our immigration policy and start actually controlling our border.