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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
Pornhub is for all extents illegal in several USA states because they can’t or won’t agree to the regulations they’d have to follow to provide their site to folk in those states. Has anyone done any research into what has happened to viewing porn in those states?
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If I take the VPN to Texas, I get this.

Dear user,

As you may know, your elected officials in Texas are requiring us to verify your age before allowing you access to our website.

Not only does this impinge on the rights of adults to access protected speech, it fails strict scrutiny by employing the least effective and yet also most restrictive means of accomplishing Texas’s stated purpose of allegedly protecting minors.

While safety and compliance are at the forefront of our mission, providing identification every time you want to visit an adult platform is not an effective solution for protecting users online, and in fact, will put minors and your privacy at risk.

Attempting to mandate age verification without any means to enforce at scale gives platforms the choice to comply or not, leaving hundreds of thousands of websites open and accessible.

As we've seen in other states, such bills have failed to protect minors, by driving users from those few websites which comply, to the hundreds of thousands of websites with far fewer safety measures in place, which do not comply. Very few sites are able to compare to the robust Trust and Safety measures

Unfortunately, the Texas law for age verification is ineffective, haphazard, and dangerous. Not only will it not actually protect children, but it will also inevitably reduce content creators’ ability to post and distribute legal adult content and directly impact their ability to share the artistic messages they want to convey with it.

The safety of our users is one of our biggest concerns. We believe that the only effective solution for protecting minors and adults alike is to verify users’ age on their device and to either deny or allow access to age-restricted materials and websites based on that verification.

We call on all adult sites to comply with the law. Until the real solution is offered, we have made the difficult decision to completely disable access to our website in Texas. In doing so, we are complying with the law, as we always do, but hope that governments around the world will implement laws that actually protect the safety and security of users.

We encourage you to:

Learn more about device-based age verification* solutions that make the internet safer while also respecting your privacy.
Contact your representatives and demand device-based verification solutions that make the internet safer while also respecting your privacy.
*Device-Based Age Verification refers to any approach to age verification where the personal information that is used to verify the user’s age is either shared in-person at an authorized retailer, inputted locally into the user’s device, or stored on a network controlled by the device manufacturer or the supplier of the device’s operating system. Whether through pre-installed content blocking and filtering software, the disabling of web-browsing permissions, or other means, the user will then be prevented from accessing age-restricted content over the internet unless they are age-verified. To come to fruition, such an approach requires the cooperation of manufacturers and operating-system providers.

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Plenty of other porn sites avalable in Texas
 
lobosrul5 said:
The main thing I've heard is the vast majority of women who try OF make so little money that they find it to be not worth it.
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That’s really just the internet, or I suppose we could say business in general, most businesses will fail.
 
Emily's Cat said:
"Which robs it of some impact"
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Doesn't it? If, as the OP was, is attempting to critique one culture for being a certain way then finding out that all cultures are that same way...then what's to be done? Do you really not see that if the subset encompasses the entire set that it's no longer a subset? The problem is the entire set.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Not only that but evidence seems to be that rape is less accepted now, in most Western countries anyways, than at pretty much any time before with perhaps a handful of exceptions. Spousal rape, rape of any woman without proper status/escort, rape of non-citizens, rape as a tool of warfare, rape as a tool of oppression. These used to be all very common. Despite easy access to free porn on handheld devices being a very recent phenomena.
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The difference for the better in my lifetime alone is when I stop to think about it astonishing.
 
Ziggurat said:
You seem to be arguing against a different claim than I actually made. I don't see what this has to do with what I've actually written.
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The issue appears to be that you think that content that is actual rape would be clearly discernible as such. Is that correct? If so, please explain how that?

Rapist: "We are going to make this video and you are going to act like you are loving it...RIGHT?"

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Poem said:
The issue appears to be that you think that content that is actual rape would be clearly discernible as such. Is that correct? If so, please explain how that?
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No. I'm saying that the content I have seen is clearly not rape. Some not-rape content may look like some rape content, because the line can be a bit blurry when you're just watching a video. But there's a lot of content which is nowhere near that line, and obviously so. Do you get the distinction?
 
well they make a pretty good point imo. device based verification is a lot more practical and likely effective
 
Darat said:
Child pornography is (mainly) about pre pubescent children and there is nothing hyperbolic about that statement. Unfortunately the term peadophilia is often casually banded about to talk about someone who - as an example - may be 16 when in their country/state the AOC is 17. That is not child pornography, I do understand why we try to not think about what child pornography is really about, it is utterly incomprehensible to us that for example someone could assault a 5 year old in any kind of sexual manner. Personally I think even using the term child pornography is wrong, it is like using a term like “kiddie fiddlers”, it hides what it is, which is simply infant and child abuse.
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Again, you seem to have skipped right past the 12 year old. I'll also add that while age of consent for sexual activity may be younger in the US, taking part in pornography is illegal for anyone under 18. So whether you think having videos of 16 year olds is fine or not, it is still illegal.

Darat said:
You are in fact minimising the abuse of children by ignoring the reality of child abuse that some people upload.
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I am doing no such thing. Not remotely.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Doesn't it? If, as the OP was, is attempting to critique one culture for being a certain way then finding out that all cultures are that same way...then what's to be done? Do you really not see that if the subset encompasses the entire set that it's no longer a subset? The problem is the entire set.
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Hey... the US is still pretty sexist.
Meh, the whole world is sexist and has been pretty much forever.

Hey... the US is still pretty racist.
Meh, the whole world is racist and has been pretty much forever.

Acknowledging that one society is part of the problem isn't robbed of impact by noting that the problem is widespread. It comes across as if you're saying "This is the way it's always been, no need to do anything about it"
 
Emily's Cat said:
Hey... the US is still pretty sexist.
Meh, the whole world is sexist and has been pretty much forever.

Hey... the US is still pretty racist.
Meh, the whole world is racist and has been pretty much forever.

Acknowledging that one society is part of the problem isn't robbed of impact by noting that the problem is widespread. It comes across as if you're saying "This is the way it's always been, no need to do anything about it"
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I don't feel a need to meet a hand-wringing threshold you deem appropriate for a topic.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Again, you seem to have skipped right past the 12 year old. I'll also add that while age of consent for sexual activity may be younger in the US, taking part in pornography is illegal for anyone under 18. So whether you think having videos of 16 year olds is fine or not, it is still illegal.



I am doing no such thing. Not remotely.
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Yes you are, there is nothing “edge case” about videos of child abuse, no one is mistaking it for anything but what it is.
 
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