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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
OK. But you accept that going on Pornhub will probably result in seeing someone being raped and or someone who is underage?
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Mmmm... I don't think "probably" is necessarily a justified term here. But I would say it's definitely possible, and that there are insufficient safeguards to ensure that it doesn't happen.
 
Emily's Cat said:
So do you have any suggestions on how to prevent the publication of child pornography, abuse, rape, and revenge porn? Or is it just too difficult and it will get in the way of access to porn so let's not do it even if it means that there are no reasonable safeguards to prevent such things?
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Not allowing people to host video of themselves is not what I believe is a reasonable safeguard. Its a gross violation of 1A rights. Would you really be for criminally prosecuting a couple who did so, even if they both say it was totally consensual? What about solo porn?

CP, abuse, rape: If its seen by someone they report it to the FBI. The FBI investigates, figures out who owns the host and they knock down their doors and arrest them. If its international they contact the authorities in said country with as much info as they can provide. If they do nothing then we block the IP address block but that can be ineffective for a wide variety of reasons.

Revenge porn is tougher. OK sure require commercial operations to verify each party is consenting and of age. For non-commercial operations thats tougher. Obviously if its reported by one person on the video that it was without their consent then it should be investigated.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't feel any obligation to pretend to kindness on this - that's some horrifically depraved and sick ****. That's not even remotely okay, and we as a society should NOT tolerate it. It's just plain ****** up.
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Yeah, it's ****** up, but what exactly do you mean by "not tolerate it"? Do you think we should prohibit it? How would we do so? I don't see a means to doing that which doesn't run afoul of the 1st amendment.
 
Ziggurat said:
I accept that it's a possibility. I don't accept that it's probable. I would want actual evidence presented for such a claim before accepting it. It doesn't seem reasonable on its face.
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I don't think it's likely to happen accidentally - but Poem was spot on, PH has in the past run into some serious problem because a material volume of videos that it hosted were of rapes, revenge porn, and minors.

It's not like it was just a couple of bad actors that managed to get some untoward content past the moderation - it's that there was virtually no moderation, and there were no safeguards in place to prevent it, or to report it when it was discovered. And PH is one of the *least* scary porn hosting sites out there.

The internet is a scary place.
 
Emily's Cat said:
How about just getting it to a point where the rate of rapes is the same for male and female victims? I'd really prefer that the rate of offenses be the same for male and female perpetrators, but I'd settle for the victimization being within spitting distance of each other. It doesn't seem like it should be too much to ask for.
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Are there any such cultures in existence? Have there ever been? If not you have just defined every culture as a "rape culture". Which kind of robs it of some impact.

I don't know that they're causal. On the other hand, I do think that the casual acceptance of porn that depicts females as objects, combined with violence and brutality involved, is reasonably viewed as indicative of the overall view toward females when it comes to sex.

I might be biased.
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Wow, that's a lot of leaps to make in one sentence.
 
Ziggurat said:
I accept that it's a possibility. I don't accept that it's probable. I would want actual evidence presented for such a claim before accepting it. It doesn't seem reasonable on its face.
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The evidence has been posted here. Many times.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't feel any obligation to pretend to kindness on this - that's some horrifically depraved and sick ****. That's not even remotely okay, and we as a society should NOT tolerate it. It's just plain ****** up.
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It's fiction. No real werewolves were harmed. So who's the victim here, that justifies your moral crusade against it?

Are your personal feelings of disgust over something in which nobody has been harmed a sufficient basis for controlling everyone else's behavior? I don't think so.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Are there any such cultures in existence? Have there ever been? If not you have just defined every culture as a "rape culture". Which kind of robs it of some impact.
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Would you like to take a shot at either elaborating or rephrasing this?

Right now, I'm reading this as a male telling a female that females have always been raped and abused by males, so there's nothing we can do about it, it's just not a big deal...
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't think it's likely to happen accidentally - but Poem was spot on, PH has in the past run into some serious problem because a material volume of videos that it hosted were of rapes, revenge porn, and minors.

It's not like it was just a couple of bad actors that managed to get some untoward content past the moderation - it's that there was virtually no moderation, and there were no safeguards in place to prevent it, or to report it when it was discovered. And PH is one of the *least* scary porn hosting sites out there.

The internet is a scary place.
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You have hit the nail squarely on the head there.
 
lobosrul5 said:
What would that accomplish? Most people view porn in private and being embarrassed or shamed for their kinks won't stop it.
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There are a whole whole lot of people who seem to feel no shame sharing their kinks and paraphilias with the world, talking about it openly, and advocating that it be accepted everywhere.

If you think that most people younger than us are keeping their predilections secret, I think you're working from some false assumptions.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm curious what you think the "woman point of view" on OF is, and how widespread you think that view is.
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i've read varying views on it from that's it's anywhere from bad to good and i'm not sure how widespread either is. i only have a male perspective on this all anyway so i'd be hesitant to comment on it.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Mmmm... I don't think "probably" is necessarily a justified term here. But I would say it's definitely possible, and that there are insufficient safeguards to ensure that it doesn't happen.
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You think Mike Farley was exaggerating? He isn't the only employee of Pornhub caught on camera talking about lax moderation.
 
Emily's Cat said:
There are a whole whole lot of people who seem to feel no shame sharing their kinks and paraphilias with the world, talking about it openly, and advocating that it be accepted everywhere.

If you think that most people younger than us are keeping their predilections secret, I think you're working from some false assumptions.
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OK. Well, theres probably no putting the genie back in the bottle. Unless you are advocating the discussion of said kinks be made illegal?
 
dirtywick said:
i've read varying views on it from that's it's anywhere from bad to good and i'm not sure how widespread either is. i only have a male perspective on this all anyway so i'd be hesitant to comment on it.
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The main thing I've heard is the vast majority of women who try OF make so little money that they find it to be not worth it.
 
lobosrul5 said:
The main thing I've heard is the vast majority of women who try OF make so little money that they find it to be not worth it.
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i think it's an interesting contrast especially as far as whether or not internet porn would be better handled by professional studios. onlyfans takes a completely opposite tact
 
Emily's Cat said:
Would you like to take a shot at either elaborating or rephrasing this?

Right now, I'm reading this as a male telling a female that females have always been raped and abused by males, so there's nothing we can do about it, it's just not a big deal...
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Then you are reading it wrong. Read the thread. The entire thread. At least read the OP. The subject is "Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?" If your defintion of "rape culture", which you supplied, is "a point where the rate of rapes is the same for male and female victims" then, as I pointed out, there is probably no culture in existence now or in the past that has ever met the requirement you stated; therefore every culture is and has been a "rape culture".
 
Poem said:
The evidence has been posted here. Many times.
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No, it hasn't. Claims have been presented here. Evidence that PH hosted some really bad stuff has been presented here. No evidence has been presented that people using PH but not searching for that stuff would run into it.
 
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