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Cont: General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back

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Nessie said:
I think Samson has fallen for those who are opposed to the law and how they have misrepresented what it says. Scotland already has this law


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And who apparently don't know that the supreme court of the UK is the supreme court of the UK, which includes Scotland. The SC has made it very clear that no matter what the wording in the legislation could be perceived to mean it cannot overrule our constitutional right to freedom of expression*. It actually goes further than just being a matter of being allowed to criticise Islam, it is a legally enforceable right to be able to criticise all religions. What that means is that those who would perhaps try to prevent such criticism can face legal action, so for example a private venue that is open to the public to hire and refused to hire its hall to a group critical of Islam would be acting illegally as it would be a be clear breach of the freedom of expression.

*Do like to use that phrase to some of these people as it seems to short-circuit their minds as they aren't used to seeing our rights i.e the rights of the citizens of the UK called "constitutional" rights.
 
Darat said:
And who apparently don't know that the supreme court of the UK is the supreme court of the UK, which includes Scotland. The SC has made it very clear that no matter what the wording in the legislation could be perceived to mean it cannot overrule our constitutional right to freedom of expression*. It actually goes further than just being a matter of being allowed to criticise Islam, it is a legally enforceable right to be able to criticise all religions. What that means is that those who would perhaps try to prevent such criticism can face legal action, so for example a private venue that is open to the public to hire and refused to hire its hall to a group critical of Islam would be acting illegally as it would be a be clear breach of the freedom of expression.

*Do like to use that phrase to some of these people as it seems to short-circuit their minds as they aren't used to seeing our rights i.e the rights of the citizens of the UK called "constitutional" rights.
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Your assurance is interesting, because the Spectator takes a very different view. I like Andrew Doyle, and Kelly Jay Keene has a party fully registered to participate in the next English election. One of my privileges in life is complete access to all material, because New Zealand does not block like Trudeau's Canada. So I post this link because it is quite brief, and am genuinely interested how their views can be accommodated within your analysis of British jurisprudence.

https://youtu.be/31tM_Cyq098?si=zBvPhQKGn3IYlIwO
 
Samson said:
Your assurance is interesting, because the Spectator takes a very different view. I like Andrew Doyle, and Kelly Jay Keene has a party fully registered to participate in the next English election. One of my privileges in life is complete access to all material, because New Zealand does not block like Trudeau's Canada. So I post this link because it is quite brief, and am genuinely interested how their views can be accommodated within your analysis of British jurisprudence.

https://youtu.be/31tM_Cyq098?si=zBvPhQKGn3IYlIwO
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That is a one hour video. Which parts, with timestamps please specifically support your claim?
 
Samson said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-political-comeback-prime-minister-509d6g56p

This picture is a repellant way that hate speech may flourish with no sanction.
I am fine with it, but that Islamist running Scotland might consider how his visage could foment anxiety if cast in this vein.
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A picture of Truess is "hate speech"?

zooterkin said:
What are you gibbering about this time? Do you know what 'Islamist' means?
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Almost certainly not, unless the Great God Musk has declaimed.
 
Samson said:
His hate speech law makes it a crime to criticise Islam,
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No it doesn't. You're lying again.

Samson said:
and makes it mandatory to deploy police time to examine any public complaint against some one like me who defines the practice as a mysogynist and wicked cult.
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So you get to decide what a "cult" is? :rolleyes:
And your hypocrisy at attributing misogyny to others....

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Tell me it ain't so with evidence.
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No. Go and do your own research for once.

Samson said:
I have taken note of many females who have
1. Left the cult with great danger to their lives.
2. Too scared to do so.
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What proportion of Muslims experience that?

Samson said:
Is their another religion in the UK people are fearful to leave?
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:rolleyes: You are ignoring "honour killings" in other religions? Racism? Naturally.....

Samson said:
Is there another religion that blackmails prisoners into joining for their safety in captivity?
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Yes. Christianity.
Jeebus you do spew some utter garbage
 
Samson said:
Your assurance is interesting, because the Spectator takes a very different view. I like Andrew Doyle, and Kelly Jay Keene has a party fully registered to participate in the next English election. One of my privileges in life is complete access to all material, because New Zealand does not block like Trudeau's Canada. So I post this link because it is quite brief, and am genuinely interested how their views can be accommodated within your analysis of British jurisprudence.
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Jeebus, you can't even spell your favourite fascist transphobe's name correctly.
Pathetic. :rolleyes:



 
Back in what passes for the real world

Owen Jones is no longer supporting Labour, which is on brand for him.

Let's take my marginal constituency as an example.

2019:

Conservative Robert Largan 24,844
Labour Ruth George 24,254
Liberal Democrats David Lomax 2,750
Brexit Party Alan Graves 1,177
Green Robert Hodgetts-Haley 1,148

I'm not sure that whatever cause Jones claims to support* would be better served by splitting the anti Tory vote and letting the Tory back in.


*As opposed to what he actually wants, which is the luxury of impotent opposition and an unelectable Labour party with Starmer fatally weakened.
 
catsmate said:
A picture of Truess is "hate speech"?
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I wonder how Samson regards the regular playing of the footage of Truss's cheese or pork markets speeches in such a manner as to be very mocking?

FFS, you could do that with almost anything she's ever said or any pix or footage of her. I just have to see that stilted gurn she thinks is a smile (even less convincing than Gordon Brown's attempts at smiling) and I end up thinking, "You really have no idea, do you?" .
 
jimbob said:
Back in what passes for the real world

Owen Jones is no longer supporting Labour, which is on brand for him.

Let's take my marginal constituency as an example.

2019:

Conservative Robert Largan 24,844
Labour Ruth George 24,254
Liberal Democrats David Lomax 2,750
Brexit Party Alan Graves 1,177
Green Robert Hodgetts-Haley 1,148

I'm not sure that whatever cause Jones claims to support* would be better served by splitting the anti Tory vote and letting the Tory back in.


*As opposed to what he actually wants, which is the luxury of impotent opposition and an unelectable Labour party with Starmer fatally weakened.
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Well since Labour jettisoned Corbyn....
 
Carrot Flower King said:
I wonder how Samson regards the regular playing of the footage of Truss's cheese or pork markets speeches in such a manner as to be very mocking?

FFS, you could do that with almost anything she's ever said or any pix or footage of her. I just have to see that stilted gurn she thinks is a smile (even less convincing than Gordon Brown's attempts at smiling) and I end up thinking, "You really have no idea, do you?" .
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Please no one link him to Jan Ravens doing her Dead Ringers' Truss!

 
jimbob said:
Back in what passes for the real world

Owen Jones is no longer supporting Labour, which is on brand for him.

Let's take my marginal constituency as an example.

2019:

Conservative Robert Largan 24,844
Labour Ruth George 24,254
Liberal Democrats David Lomax 2,750
Brexit Party Alan Graves 1,177
Green Robert Hodgetts-Haley 1,148

I'm not sure that whatever cause Jones claims to support* would be better served by splitting the anti Tory vote and letting the Tory back in.


*As opposed to what he actually wants, which is the luxury of impotent opposition and an unelectable Labour party with Starmer fatally weakened.
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Agreed. I really like his books, Chavs & The Establishment are excellent and his account of Corbyn's time as leader was interesting and remarkably even handed, but his current events coverage drives me up the wall. The vagueries of FPTP and influence of a predominantly RW media mean a Labour victory is NEVER guaranteed.
 
You have to love Sunak's complete lack of self-awareness

Rishi Sunak targets 'arrogant' Starmer at Tory local election launch
Speaking at a rally in Heanor, Derbyshire, he said Sir Keir was "arrogantly taking the British people for granted" and "assuming that he can just stroll into Number 10 without saying what he would do".
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This from the man selected to be PM by a couple of hundred MPs, succeeding another PM who never faced a general election. And 'taking the British people for granted', would be step up from treating them with complete contempt.
 
jimbob said:
Back in what passes for the real world

Owen Jones is no longer supporting Labour, which is on brand for him.

Let's take my marginal constituency as an example.

2019:

Conservative Robert Largan 24,844
Labour Ruth George 24,254
Liberal Democrats David Lomax 2,750
Brexit Party Alan Graves 1,177
Green Robert Hodgetts-Haley 1,148

I'm not sure that whatever cause Jones claims to support* would be better served by splitting the anti Tory vote and letting the Tory back in.


*As opposed to what he actually wants, which is the luxury of impotent opposition and an unelectable Labour party with Starmer fatally weakened.
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He supports the cause of labour, something Starmer abhors.
 
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