Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

[Mojo]

So they were recalled for checks. Where does it say that Sadiq Khan took them out of service?

I'm sitting one one right now.

 

[Steve]

I'm sitting one one right now.

Is your butt starting to feel warm?

 

[Vixen]

Childish name-calling.

Another of your lies.

So you'll be citing the errors?


Mind reading on your part.


Bollocks. As usual.


Oh look, you're attempting to distract from your nonsense being disproven.


Sigh. We already know the make and model.You just don't want to accept these facts because it destroys your conspiratorial nonsense.

Citation, please.

Preferably not from an anonymous tweeter with 200 followers.

 

[Vixen]

So they were recalled for checks. Where does it say that Sadiq Khan took them out of service?

Sadiq Khan?


(Now he's making up his own conspiracy theories.)

 

[Vixen]

In a press release or media report? I'm sure you'll be able to give us an example.

Let's see if we are going to be given the model, make and year of the vehicle concerned. Or do they plan to protect Tata's Jaguar Land Rover forever?

And if it is a JLR car involved then we know why its identity was not revealed from the outset but embargoed.

If it was any other make or petrol/diesel only we can be sure we would have been told on day one as per usual.

 

[Vixen]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news...re-breakout-fears-if-left-running/ar-BB1jmk6d

I see the recall is for an overheating risk in the heating/aircon system if it's left running on these buses while unattended. Not the battery nor the electric powertrain.

Vehicle recalls to fix faults are not a new thing. They happen all the time. This one was not related to an EV battery. False alarm as an EV fire risk.

Oh please. So an electric bus on fire for any reason is not a massive hazard? Needing huge amounts of water to quell it, whilst polluting the drained water with all kinds of toxic chemicals. As if such a fire would not cause a thermal runway or explosions. And whilst the bus is unattended.

 

[Vixen]

I'm sitting one one right now.

Not at All Bar One in New Oxford Street, we hope?

 

[Mojo]

Not at All Bar One in New Oxford Street, we hope?

No, although I walked past there this morning.

 

[I Am The Scum]

If the electric buses were recalled for safety reasons, doesn't that mean that there isn't a massive coverup?

 

[Mojo]

If the electric buses were recalled for safety reasons, doesn't that mean that there isn't a massive coverup?

That's just what they want you to think!

 

[P.J. Denyer]

That's just what they want you to think!

Yeah, like when they do a 12 hour news blackout by allowing the story to be reported internationally, issuing a press release and schedule a press conference.. within 12 hours. Devious bastards!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Oh please. So an electric bus on fire for any reason is not a massive hazard? Needing huge amounts of water to quell it, whilst polluting the drained water with all kinds of toxic chemicals. As if such a fire would not cause a thermal runway or explosions. And whilst the bus is unattended.

The DVSA recall notice on this model of bus does not even involve taking them out of service. It only advises operators to turn off the heater when the bus is left unattended, pending the manufacturer devising a permanent fix.

Histrionics over the threat of EV batteries coming to murder us all in our beds seems misplaced.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Oh look, Vixen supplies yet another link that doesn't say what she claimed it said.

Do you even read your own sources Vixen, or do you just hope we won't?

I work for TfL. They haven't removed electric buses from service because they're dangerous. You're lying again Vixen.

Well vixen? Going to deal with the fact you (to be as charitable as humanly possible) were wrong in your claim and the fact your own source doesn't support your claim?

 

[catsmate]

Citation, please.

Preferably not from an anonymous tweeter with 200 followers.

Already given, as you well know. And I don't do TwiX.

I see you're carefully ignoring the fact that your lies regarding EV buses have been exposed.

 

[junkshop]

Oh please. So an electric bus on fire for any reason is not a massive hazard? Needing huge amounts of water to quell it, whilst polluting the drained water with all kinds of toxic chemicals. As if such a fire would not cause a thermal runway or explosions. And whilst the bus is unattended.

Oh, such glorious fancies you conjure!

But from whence? From whence?

From the depths they come, from the dark, sulphorous places where only doom glows!

The dark places that are rank with the foetid stench of bent truth and false witness!

Woe is me, woe is thee, we all will perish by devilish electrickery!



You pulled that out of your arse, is what I'm suggesting, if that wasn't clear.

 

[Vixen]

Already given, as you well know. And I don't do TwiX.

I see you're carefully ignoring the fact that your lies regarding EV buses have been exposed.

You have not provided a citation, or at least, I have not seen it. Please can someone produce the citation catsmate claims to have produced proving the make, model and year of Vehicle Zero or shall we conclude that catsmate is being less than truthful?

 

[junkshop]

You have not provided a citation, or at least, I have not seen it. Please can someone produce the citation catsmate claims to have produced proving the make, model and year of Vehicle Zero or shall we conclude that catsmate is being less than truthful?

Motes and beams...

NB: edited to remove incivility present in original.

 

[Vixen]

Well vixen? Going to deal with the fact you (to be as charitable as humanly possible) were wrong in your claim and the fact your own source doesn't support your claim?

From the TIMES:

The agency did not attribute fault to the batteries, which are supplied by BYD, the giant Chinese electric vehicle maker which overtook Tesla’s sales last year. It said that a temporary fix was to turn off the Hispacold HVAC system when the vehicle was left unattended.

Electric bus fires burn very intensely and are difficult to extinguish. The blaze is caused by a chemical reaction which also emits flammable toxic gases.

The DVSA issued the recall notice on January 31. Transport for London (TfL) said that it had more than 600 of the buses, about 10 per cent of its entire fleet, but that their withdrawal had not affected its services.

Where do you get the impression it is not potentially dangerous to leave these buses unattended and that a temporary 'solution' is to switch off the HVAC. No, they do not mention the batteries because the batteries are fine ...until they catch fire! We are not allowed to mention the dangers of this type of combustion, hence it is couched in terms of 'something else'.

 

[junkshop]

Well vixen? Going to deal with the fact you (to be as charitable as humanly possible) were wrong in your claim and the fact your own source doesn't support your claim?

From the TIMES...

That is not the source you cited. As you are well aware, MarkCorrigan is asking you to acknowledge that the source you cited (manchestermag.com) does not support the claim that you made.

Will you do that?
Are you capable of being that honest?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

From the TIMES:




Where do you get the impression it is not potentially dangerous to leave these buses unattended and that a temporary 'solution' is to switch off the HVAC. No, they do not mention the batteries because the batteries are fine ...until they catch fire! We are not allowed to mention the dangers of this type of combustion, hence it is couched in terms of 'something else'.

Not what was asked and again, the fault is not with the battery but the heating system.

You are adding your own conspiracy gibberish yet again.