Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Vixen said:
Rubbish. The person commissioned to write the GOV.Uk page extolling the virtues and benefits of EV's and rather patronisingly telling us all how very safe they are (when TfL have taken fleets of EV buses out of circulation because of the issue of - ahem - 'accidental ignition') is simply writing an enthusiastic puff piece to 'reassure the public'. The author concerned obviously has to show zeal and marketing skills in the PR job. He or she quoting Beds Fire Chief Hodgkinson's 11 October press release (in his or her own words) is simply that person gaslighting some imaginary opponent of ULEZ rules and pro-Oil lobbyist. It's straightforward propaganda.

What we are looking at here in this thread are the actual facts of a specific matter not the pros and cons of net zero.

The book is open for betting: will the Fire Brigade Report mention the specific make and model and year of the vehicle concerned or will it carry on with a noncommittal descriptive which technically isn't really true but also isn't blatantly lying either.

My sixpence says the latter.


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And if the Fire Brigade will report that,
you'll say they didn't do it via a Press release and as such it wouldn't count.
And if they would put out a Press Release, it wouldn't count if they let anybody else then the original fire chief do that press release.
And if they would have the original fire chief put out the press release, it still wouldn't count, because THEY would have forced him to say whatever he said during said press release.

Do I have this correct for the coming rounds of this nonsense?
 
Coincidentally I recently used one of this new style of multi storey car park, which are going up all over the place here. This one was in Watford, just down the road from Luton.

While waiting in the car for my wife to return I discovered that as another car drives past you can clearly feel the entire floor flex like a passing wave. Not something you would feel in an older reinforced concrete car park but these new ones are steel framed with reinforced concrete floor panels and surprisingly flexible.

It reminded me of steel framed buildings' vulnerability to fire.
 
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zooterkin said:
So you don't have any source for your opinion? You were lying when you stated there was an embargo?
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Well she's cited all those garage and car dealership employees. If they're not authoritative experts on EV fires, who is? Fire service investigators? Please!
 
Foster Zygote said:
Well she's cited all those garage and car dealership employees. If they're not authoritative experts on EV fires, who is? Fire service investigators? Please!
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Exactly. Who's in the best place to know? A car salesman. Has he ever sold a car that's on fire? No. Has he ever sold electric cars? No. Therefore all the cars that are on fire are electric cars. It's just logic. Checkmate.
 
GlennB said:
And if that much detail is given no doubt you'll move on to demanding chassis and engine numbers, right?
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That was my immediate thought too. Along with VIN numbers and a complete list of all previous owners to check what modifications they made, under oath, at the Old Bailey.
 
welshdean said:
That was my immediate thought too. Along with VIN numbers and a complete list of all previous owners to check what modifications they made, under oath, at the Old Bailey.
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And most importantly, whether they ever voted for Rishi Sunak.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
It reminded me of steel framed buildings' vulnerability to fire.
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And open structures' ability to admit and direct airflow. A new high-rise building is nearing completion a few blocks from my house. The lower portion above the retail floors is a parking garage that builders have just facepalmed over. My city is occasionally subject to very high winds, which we've now discovered make a very loud whistling noise as they whip through the floors of the parking area.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Do you have a source for this?
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https://manchestermag.com/britains-...l-over-fears-they-could-see-burst-into-flames

Safety watchdogs have ordered the recall of almost 2,000 electric buses over fears they can catch fire if left unattended.

The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency has warned operators who use the Alexander Dennis Enviro200 and Enviro400 single and double decker buses of the critical safety issue.

The buses are currently operational across the UK, with more than 600 in London and a further 100 in Manchester.

All of the affected vehicles were manufactured between May 3, 2019 and February 6, 2024. They all contain batteries supplied by Chinese firm BYD.
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Vixen said:
Rubbish.
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Vixen said:
The person commissioned to write the GOV.Uk page extolling the virtues and benefits of EV's and rather patronisingly telling us all how very safe they are
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Childish name-calling.
Vixen said:
(when TfL have taken fleets of EV buses out of circulation because of the issue of - ahem - 'accidental ignition')
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Another of your lies.
Vixen said:
is simply writing an enthusiastic puff piece to 'reassure the public'.
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So you'll be citing the errors?
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Vixen said:
The author concerned obviously has to show zeal and marketing skills in the PR job.
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Mind reading on your part.

Vixen said:
He or she quoting Beds Fire Chief Hodgkinson's 11 October press release (in his or her own words) is simply that person gaslighting some imaginary opponent of ULEZ rules and pro-Oil lobbyist. It's straightforward propaganda.
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Bollocks. As usual.

Vixen said:
What we are looking at here in this thread are the actual facts of a specific matter not the pros and cons of net zero.
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Oh look, you're attempting to distract from your nonsense being disproven.
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Vixen said:
The book is open for betting: will the Fire Brigade Report mention the specific make and model and year of the vehicle concerned or will it carry on with a noncommittal descriptive which technically isn't really true but also isn't blatantly lying either.
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Sigh. We already know the make and model.
You just don't want to accept these facts because it destroys your conspiratorial nonsense.
 
Vixen said:
The Guardian journalist, Jasper Jolly who contacted them direct to verify his article said they only claimed that it was not a full EV or a Hybrid Plug-in.
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Then he's either wrong or telling a deliberate lie.

You can read the statement for yourself on their website.

Why rely on a third party?
 
Vixen said:
https://manchestermag.com/britains-...l-over-fears-they-could-see-burst-into-flames
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news...re-breakout-fears-if-left-running/ar-BB1jmk6d

I see the recall is for an overheating risk in the heating/aircon system if it's left running on these buses while unattended. Not the battery nor the electric powertrain.

Vehicle recalls to fix faults are not a new thing. They happen all the time. This one was not related to an EV battery. False alarm as an EV fire risk.
 
Vixen said:
https://manchestermag.com/britains-...l-over-fears-they-could-see-burst-into-flames
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From your link:

Initial investigations suggest the fault may be in the air conditioning and heating system
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Indeed, a 'potential issue in the Hisacold HVAC system' is the sole reason given in the DVSA recall notice, reproduced in the article, so it would seem that their being EVs is likely irrelevant.

Also, Vixen, you need to better vet your sources. The whole article seems to be cut and pasted from the MailOnline. I checked and it is the MailOnline article in its entirety, even with the same pictures and headline, so more a copy and paste.

They did make one change. They added "by Ketrin Agustine" at the top (but wierdly left the original byline in).

Here is a quote from their 'about us' page:

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That's a high quality secondary source, right there. Back in the old days you needed some bloke down the pub to supply such reliable info.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Then he's either wrong or telling a deliberate lie.

You can read the statement for yourself on their website.

Why rely on a third party?
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Why rely on a third party? Well obviously a person needs to search for a source, no matter how ridiculous, that agrees with their pre-conceived notions of conspiracy and cover up.
 
Oh look, Vixen supplies yet another link that doesn't say what she claimed it said.

Do you even read your own sources Vixen, or do you just hope we won't?

I work for TfL. They haven't removed electric buses from service because they're dangerous. You're lying again Vixen.
 
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