The Danish Muhammed Caricatures

[Ryokan]

The JREF has decided that the Danish Muhammed Caricatures can be posted.

I want to thank Darat and the JREF for the very serious and thorough treatment this case has been given, and I'm glad their decision finally ended up as consistant with what the JREF stands for.

I reccomend reading the Wikipeda article on the Muhammed Drawings to understand the background of the caricatures.

Here are some pieces from the Wikipeda article :

On September 17, 2005, the Danish newspaper Politiken ran an article under the headline "Dyb angst for kritik af islam"[2] ("Deep fear of criticism of Islam"). The article discussed the difficulty encountered by the writer Kåre Bluitgen, who was initially unable to find an illustrator who was prepared to work with Bluitgen on his children's book "Koranen og profeten Muhammeds liv" ("The Qur'an and the prophet Muhammad's life"). Three artists declined Bluitgen's proposal before an artist agreed to assist anonymously. According to Bluitgen:

One [artist declined], with reference to the murder in Amsterdam of the film director Theo van Gogh, while another [declined, citing the attack on] the lecturer at the Carsten Niebuhr Institute in Copenhagen. In October 2004, a lecturer was assaulted by five assailants who opposed the lecturer's reading of the Qur'an to non-Muslims during a lecture at the Niebuhr institute at the University of Copenhagen.

The refusal of the first three artists to participate was seen as evidence of self-censorship and led to much debate in Denmark, with other examples for similar reasons soon emerging. The comedian Frank Hvam declared that he did not dare satirise the Qur'an on television, while the translators of an essay collection critical of Islam also wished to remain anonymous due to concerns about violent reaction.

On September 30, 2005, the daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten ("The Jutland Post") published an article titled "Muhammeds ansigt" ("The face of Muhammad"). The article consisted of 12 satirical caricatures (of which only some depicted Muhammad) and an explanatory text, in which Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten's culture editor, commented:

The modern, secular society is rejected by some Muslims. They demand a special position, insisting on special consideration of their own religious feelings. It is incompatible with contemporary democracy and freedom of speech, where you must be ready to put up with insults, mockery and ridicule. It is certainly not always equally attractive and nice to look at, and it does not mean that religious feelings should be made fun of at any price, but that is less important in this context. [...] we are on our way to a slippery slope where no-one can tell how the self-censorship will end. That is why Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten has invited members of the Danish editorial cartoonists union to draw Muhammad as they see him. [...]

After an invitation from Jyllands-Posten to around forty different artists to give their interpretation on how Muhammad may have looked, twelve different caricaturists chose to respond with a drawing each. Some of these twelve drawings portray Muhammad in different fashions; many also comment on the surrounding self-censorship debate.

And here are the 12 caricatures that have set the world aflame:

Are they that bad? Judge for yourself!

To have a closer view of each drawing, go here.

 

[Mycroft]

I was looking for the story on how some Islamic cleric took these pictures plus some more offensive ones that wern't printed on tour in order to drum up hatred and anger among the masses. If someone else knows where to get that quickly, that would add importent context.

 

[Ryokan]

I was looking for the story on how some Islamic cleric took these pictures plus some more offensive ones that wern't printed on tour in order to drum up hatred and anger among the masses. If someone else knows where to get that quickly, that would add importent context.

From Wikipeda :

A Muslim religious organisation in Denmark, Islamisk Trossamfund, has brought attention to the cartoons during a tour of the Middle-East, and has allegedly represented that Muslims in Denmark have been exposed to much more overtly offensive images. However, these additional images, none of which had previously been published by any mainstream media outlet, would be considered deliberately profane and obscene by many non-Muslims. On February 1 BBC World aired a story showing one of these three images, and incorrectly claimed that it had been published in Jyllands-Posten.

Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the Danish Muslim organisations which organised the tour, claimed to be unaware of the origin of the three pictures, claiming that they had been sent by unknown persons to Muslims in Denmark. Arkkari purported to justify the use of the three drawings as providing "insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims." However, when Akkari was asked if the Muslims who had received these pictures could be interviewed, Akkari refused to reveal their identities.

There are links to articles that goes more in-depth than Wikipeda on this, but they're all in Danish, and I don't feel like translating that amount of text right now (It's 1am).

 

[egslim]

And is a site which hosts the offensive pictures themselves: http://www.pulpmovies.com/gagwatch/2006/01/death-threats-in-norway/
The links are bottom-left of the Mohammed cartoons.

 

[kittynh]

what is offensive is the assault on freedom of speech!

 

[Eos of the Eons]

http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/

For the cartoon captions.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

what is offensive is the assault on freedom of speech!

That's for sure. They do say it's blasphemous to depict their Muhammed though. If you just say "death to all muslims" I figure they would be far less offended??

 

[kittynh]

look, talk about holding us hostage!

Europe gives them freedom to practice their religion, and try going to an Arab nation and practicing Christianity VERY openly, or even worshiping the FSM.

Democracy is just that.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Yeah Kitty, you said it!

There are Canadian muslims on our TV stations saying that this "racism" is what the muslims all have to put up with all the time in Europe, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Yet, the more I look into the racism THEY promote, then they have a heck of a nerve calling anyone else racist. They simply hate freedom of speech, democracy, or anything else that is not like their totalitarianism.

These cartoons are just another reason to go apesh!t over anything. They won't be happy until they get their @sses kicked. I say, Kick em, kick em all. World War 3. Let's see their muhammed, allah, whomever protect them from a backlash of their quashing of rights.

 

[Cylinder]

I was looking for the story on how some Islamic cleric took these pictures plus some more offensive ones that wern't printed on tour in order to drum up hatred and anger among the masses. If someone else knows where to get that quickly, that would add importent context.

Here are the thumbnails posted in compliance with Fair Use Doctrine - assuming Death Cults avail themselves of copyright law:

Michelle Malkin has a post with a link to the full-size image which does not work, I suspect, due to bandwidth quota.

Is the dog in the third frame humping the Prophet? Ruh-roh Raggy!

 

[Leif Roar]

Yeah Kitty, you said it!

There are Canadian muslims on our TV stations saying that this "racism" is what the muslims all have to put up with all the time in Europe, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

The problem with that claim is of course that it is not the muslims in Europe that are getting worked up about it. The reacions from muslim communities in European countries have, by the large, been civil objections and calls for calm.

 

[BS Investigator]

Eons, I have to agree with you. IF the muslims are so tough and want to pick fights with us, bring it on!

World War 3... let's do it! Better to beat them into submission and throw all their Korans into a fire pit now than have to deal with these religious maniacs armed with nukes 20 years from now.

Let the war begin.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Spot the difference:

Inevitably some elements may seek to exploit this current crisis to provoke negative or extreme reactions among Muslims. The MCB [Muslim Council of Britain] urges fellow British Muslims to exercise the utmost restraint in the face of these provocations.

“There may be elements that would want to exploit the genuine sense of anguish and hurt among British Muslims about the manner in which the Prophet has been vilified to pursue their own mischievous agenda. We would caution all British Muslims to not allow themselves to be provoked. They should respond peacefully and with dignity at all times,” added Sir Iqbal. [Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary-General of the MCB]

I say, Kick em, kick em all. World War 3.

World War 3... let's do it! Better to beat them into submission and throw all their Korans into a fire pit now...

 

[Darat]

Eons, I have to agree with you. IF the muslims are so tough and want to pick fights with us, bring it on!

World War 3... let's do it! Better to beat them into submission and throw all their Korans into a fire pit now than have to deal with these religious maniacs armed with nukes 20 years from now.

Let the war begin.

Out of curiosity what will you do with the approximately 1 to 2 million USA citizens who are Islamic? Intern them for life or kill them or deport them (assuming another country will have them)?

 

[Darat]

look, talk about holding us hostage!

Europe gives them freedom to practice their religion, and try going to an Arab nation and practicing Christianity VERY openly, or even worshiping the FSM.

Democracy is just that.

I'm unsure what you mean by "Europe gives them..." most EU countries are very similar to the USA in that the citizens (and/or subjects if you want to get technical ) have rights, one of those rights is freedom of religion. Granted several European countries don't have such rights.

 

[BS Investigator]

Out of curiosity what will you do with the approximately 1 to 2 million USA citizens who are Islamic? Intern them for life or kill them or deport them (assuming another country will have them)?

Thus far, they have not been a problem.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Thus far, they have not been a problem.

So, do they get to keep their Korans, or do they go into the "fire pit"?

"Fire pit"?

Homer: Hmm. I wonder why he's so eager to go to the garage?
Moe: The "garage"? Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man.
Homer: Well what do you call it?
Moe: A car hole!

 

[Darat]

Thus far, they have not been a problem.

So you aren't calling for the killing of "the Muslims" but killing "some Muslims"?

 

[egslim]

I say, Kick em, kick em all. World War 3. Let's see their muhammed, allah, whomever protect them from a backlash of their quashing of rights.

Hold your horses!

What exactly do you propose to do in practical terms? And is it actually feasible? Installing democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan has so far consumed lots of resources, and it hasn't even been proven to work.

 

[kittynh]

Hey, a lot of Muslims that are living in Europe and the US and Canada are here because they would be DEAD if they lived back in their home country.

My daughter works part time as a babysitter for a lovely Muslim family. If you are going to kill all the Muslims, then I am sorry, but I will die to protect this darling family. they live here because in their "homeland" they would be in prison. The husband is a wonderful neurosurgeon. He works incredible hours, saving the lives of people without first asking their faith or background.

If the Muslim holocaust comes, then I know where I stand.