Why I should vote for Trump?

Donal said:
Yes, Biden and the Democrats generally suck. Trump and the Republicans suck far worse and do irreparable harm whenever they have power. I'm not going to pretend they are the same.

And yes, the electoral college as it exists sucks. But, it's what we've got. Ignoring it won't make it go away. I have been trying to sell my neighbors and family on Ranked Choice Voting for our local and state governments, but I know the EC isn't going anywhere in my lifetime.
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Even if it is the lesser of two evils, if you don't make a protest vote then you are endorsing the current primary system.

Some people (who would otherwise not vote Trump) may vote Trump simply to protest against the constant legalistic attempts to prevent them from having this choice.
 
psionl0 said:
Even if it is the lesser of two evils, if you don't make a protest vote then you are endorsing the current primary system.

Some people (who would otherwise not vote Trump) may vote Trump simply to protest against the constant legalistic attempts to prevent them from having this choice.
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Susheel said:
They would be morons then...
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"I'm gonna cut off my nose to spite my face. That'll show that it!"
 
psionl0 said:
They can't be much stupider than the people who are giving Trump all this free publicity by throwing all the legal means they have against him.
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Maybe the really stupid people are those who chose to ignore it and continue to indulge in pearl-clutching, "the both sides are same" rhetoric and claim that holding Trump responsible for his actions are wrong.
 
Susheel said:
Maybe the really stupid people are those who chose to ignore it and continue to indulge in pearl-clutching, "the both sides are same" rhetoric and claim that holding Trump responsible for his actions are wrong.
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I don't understand this but if you are saying that voters ought not be influenced by the legal action against Trump then all I can say is that this is the real world.
 
No...that is what you think is happening. We are very aware that Trump supporters aren't going to drop Trump whatever happens, then there are the so-called "not a Trump supporter...but" for whom "drinking liberal tears" and "triggering snowflakes" is a very high priority. Claiming that Trump's crimes should be ignored is specious at best and dishonest at worst and has more to do with lingering guilt that at some point they had actively supported and voted for Trump even as late as 2020 and will probably do so again, just out of spite. Somehow the fac that the "liberals were right" still rankles their very core.
 
Stacyhs said:
"I'm gonna cut off my nose to spite my face. That'll show that it!"
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It need not be a purely futile gesture. If the Democrats were to win a majority in both houses of Congress but lose the presidency then that would send them a powerful message. As a bonus, it would limit the harm that Trump could inflict.
 
Nobody is using every legal trick in the book....what is being used are legal recourses that are entirely justified for Trump's actions. In fact Trump has been granted more leeway than anyone else in a similar situation.
 
psionl0 said:
So is using every legal trick in the book to get at Trump. That is what happens in the real world.
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Which legal "tricks"?

The Carroll defamation case? That wasn't a trick - we learned that Trump had legally defamed her and that he had raped her.

The New York fraud case? Again that wasn't a trick, the judgement was that his companies had committed widescale fraud, we are now awaiting to see whether Trump and others are personally responsible for the fraud their companies committed and what the final legal penalties will be.

The withholding of secret documents? Yes, that one is still going through the courts, I do have to say I've made my own mind up about that one - he did illegally keep documents and illegal try to prevent documents being recovered. The court may of course decide he didn't.

The "14th amendment" cases? Is that the "every legal trick" you are referring to?

They are of course other cases - for instance the mobile phone case. But recall that he was being sued for non-delivery and non-disclosure about Trump University as he campaigned to become president for the first time, those really are "business as usual" for Trump.
 
If you hate the USA with all your heart, your soul and your strength and want to see the country destroyed, you should vote for T****y. There is no other valid reason to vote for the man.
 
psionl0 said:
Even if it is the lesser of two evils, if you don't make a protest vote then you are endorsing the current primary system.
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You're still choosing one. That's the trap of the system.

Some people (who would otherwise not vote Trump) may vote Trump simply to protest against the constant legalistic attempts to prevent them from having this choice.
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********. Anyone who still votes for Trump at this point was always going to vote for him. They just want an excuse. They'll find or invent any fairy tale to justify it.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Problem with capitalism is that every time it is introduced to a market the number of entities operating as sellers decreases over time. When you reduce or eliminate rules governing the use of capital (remember, the one rule of capitalism is that the owners of capital can do what they want with it) the market devolves to monopoly or cartel over time.
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*citation needed
 
psionl0 said:
Whatever you decide to call it, it is putting Trump straight on course to the White House.
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You seem to think that this is somehow the fault of the Democrats or those working to hold Trump accountable. I see it as a problem with the polity and the whole "I am not a Trump supporter, but..." crowd for whom a win against the dreaded libs is more important than anything else. It is also a safe stand for those who will go on to vote for Trump just to stick it to the libs. Trump will come to power not because of the liberals or Dems, but because there is hude swath of the population who are right-wing morons and of course gerrymandering.
 
"I won't vote for Biden because I hate having 2 choices I don't like but Trump shouldn't be prosecuted because people only have 2 choices they don't like"
 
Susheel said:
You seem to think that this is somehow the fault of the Democrats or those working to hold Trump accountable.
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Then you are not reading what I have posted.

The prosecutions regarding the classified documents and his fraudulent asset valuations are fair. The increasingly desperate moves as we get closer to the election such as having state courts bar Trump from running for election in those states are more dubious and clearly politically motivated.
 
Roboramma said:
*citation needed
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Pretty much all of recorded history until recent times saw most if not all capital being held by one person or very few in a region, time and time again capital ends up being held by an exceedingly small minority. Happens today as well - isn't it something like 1% of the population owns 50% of the entire capital of the world?
 
psionl0 said:
Then you are not reading what I have posted.

The prosecutions regarding the classified documents and his fraudulent asset valuations are fair. The increasingly desperate moves as we get closer to the election such as having state courts bar Trump from running for election in those states are more dubious and clearly politically motivated.
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What "desperate moves" are these?
 
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