Why I should vote for Trump?

I despise Trump, but blaming him for empty store shelves in 2020 has even less logic than those "I did that!" Biden stickers on gas pumps last year. Democrats would love higher prices for gas, although of course they would prefer if the higher prices came about through tax increases. Empty store shelves in 2020 came because of warnings about the Covid-19 epidemic and generally represented what the government was recommending at the time--to stock up now and not go out for a few weeks "to bend the curve."

I wasn't blaming Trump for the empty shelves. I'm well aware of the panic buying and supply issues due to Covid 19. I lived it. I was replying to this:

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I like my groceries affordable like they were during Trumps' term. My grocery bill is almost twice what is used to be. If you're in the US, yours is too. Is that what Biden supporters voted for?
Ah, yes. I like being able to FIND groceries, toilet paper, and hospitals liked being able to get medical supplies like masks and other protective gear all of which were in short supply during the Trump admin. I see you can still afford the Kool Aid. Remember this?

It was a sarcastic response to ChrisBFRPKY's remark about how affordable groceries were during the Trump admin. as if Biden is responsible for the inflation that's affected the world... and most countries far worse than the US. Yes, they were largely more affordable than now when you could find them.
 
Absolutely Biden is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine. The World sees Biden as a weak leader, a frazzled old man that should be spending his remaining days of senility somewhere besides the Oval Office. That and he's on the Chinese payroll.

The World sees Trump as a psychopath and an idiot. Well, right-wing authoritarians like Putin, Kim, Orban and Erdogan seem to like him.

Given Obama's cold shoulder treatment of Israel, it's highly likely Hamas was betting on Biden doing likewise.

Wrong, weren't they?

What would Trump have done if Putin invaded Ukraine? That's an easy one, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in office. But just for fun, let's let you have your way, say Trump was still President and Putin invaded Ukraine. Within 24 hours Trump would have been on the phone with Putin with a deal whereby ending the hostilities would create great wealth for both sides. That's what he does.

LOL! Wow. He'd have made another "perfect" phone call, would he? When asked how he'd end the Ukraine war in 24 hours, he said,

"I know Zelensky very well. I felt he was very honorable because when they asked him about the perfect phone call that I made, he said it was indeed, he said it was. He didn't even know what they were talking about. He could have grandstanded–" Trump said before Bartiromo cut him off.

Zelensky never said anything of the like. He said they didn't discuss a quid pro quo. Of course, they didn't. Trump never come right out and says what he wants. He uses mob talk...innuendo and other suggestive language in order have plausible deniability. "I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. "

An email shows that "a senior White House official, Mike Duffey, contacted senior defence officials about withholding Ukraine's aid just over an hour-and-a-half after Mr Trump ended a 25 July call with President Zelensky."


"I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well, even better. And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelenskyy, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to. I will have the deal done in one day. One day," Trump responded.

Yeah, Trump the great negotiator! Like how he got Mexico to pay for the border wall! Alternate reality stuff there.

Making money is more important and more profitable than making war.

And we both know how just how much making money means to Trump, don't we? I mean, it's not like his entire self-worth is about how rich he is. Right?

Which reminds me, unless I'm mistaken you were one of the many here that claimed Trump would start World War 3?

You're mistaken. Trump's far too busy grifting from his gullible base because "Making money is more important and more profitable than making war.:

But he didn't. Warmonger is currently a word reserved for Biden and his supporters, not Trump. Some of you guys are shouting "Free Palestine!" While others are supporting Israel's bombardment. You guys need to get it together to support ending all wars and hostilities and concentrate on making money.

"... ending all wars and hostilities": What a quaint idea. Maybe holding hands and singing Kumbaya and We'd Like to Teach the World to Sing will bring universal peace and harmony? Humans are such gentle and peaceful creatures. According to Donnie, Biden's "now in charge with dealing with Russia and possible nuclear war …just think of it, we would be in World War II." Too bad Donnie wasn't POTUS when WWII really did start; he'd have ended it in 24 hours, right?


Spend some of it on solar for your home.

Solar power? You mean that non-fossil fuel alternative energy source the GOP is so in favor of?


The Trump Administration has moved to dramatically cut funding for a Department of Energy program supporting research and development of clean energy technologies, the president’s latest attempt to stall renewable energy sources like wind and solar to benefit fossil fuels.
The 72% cut would be imposed on the Energy Department’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, according to a Washington Post report. The office, which received $2 billion in funding the current fiscal year, supports research in a variety of clean energy technologies from electric vehicles to to solar power.
On the other hand:
Biden-Harris Administration Launches $7 Billion Solar for All Grant Competition to Fund Residential Solar Programs that Lower Energy Costs for Families and Advance Environmental Justice Through Investing in America Agenda

It's the Leftists that enjoy the never ending wars. Must be something about reducing the population of excess humans to reduce the effects of Global Warming I suppose. That or purposely creating fear and chaos in the World. Beats me.

Ah, yes...the wars started by "Leftists" such as the Grenada Invasion, the Gulf War, the War in Afghanistan, the Iraq War, the War on Terrorall started under such Lefties as Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

Interesting photo, however I didn't do any shopping in Hong Kong where that picture was taken:
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...break-plague-fear-and-prejudice-could-be-just

"Empty instant noodle shelves at a supermarket in Hong Kong on January 30. Photo: Reuters"

I did see an empty toilet tissue Aisle for a few days at the Dollar General Store here in the US though. Since I typically keep at minimum a 6 months supply of food and toiletries, I wasn't personally affected.

Maybe you didn't notice it because you keep a 6 months supply.

I don't care for Kool Aid, I prefer iced tea or a citrus soda drink called "Ski".

Then it's odd that you repeat so much of what Trump regurgitates.


I think I would prefer a bit more Global Warming. It still gets brutally cold in Kentucky and I'd prefer milder Winters, and while I'm always hopeful the fact is I'm still not getting a mild Winter.

Like Trump, you seem to have difficulty discerning "weather" from "climate".

But let's say you're right and Global Warming is a deep concern that's going to kill us all and flood the Coastlines. How would you go about reversing the damage? If we made it, then surely we can unmake it. So how about it? What can I do or mankind in general, actually "do" to reverse Global Warming? Let's fix the planet! I'm on board, just tell me how we begin.But let's say you're right and Global Warming is a deep concern that's going to kill us all and flood the Coastlines. How would you go about reversing the damage? If we made it, then surely we can unmake it. So how about it? What can I do or mankind in general, actually "do" to reverse Global Warming? Let's fix the planet! I'm on board, just tell me how we begin.

There's a multitude of ways to impede Global Warming. Google it. But "Drill, baby, drill" for more fossil fuels, the myth of "clean coal", raking forest floors, calling it a "hoax", claiming wind turbines cause cancer, and withdrawing from the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement are not among them.

On a related note I recently read an article about some new archaeological finds of Viking era artifacts revealed from melting Glaciers in Norway. That means the Glaciers are now back to the same place they were around 1,500 years ago where the Vikings left their stuff. It was an interesting read, very thought provoking."

Nope. You're referring to the Lendbreen ice patch which isn't a glacier:
As snow collected over the centuries, those forgotten objects were preserved in what eventually became the Lendbreen ice patch.

Ice patches are located at high elevations, but they aren’t the same as their larger cousins, glaciers. Objects frozen in glaciers are eventually pulverised inside the moving mass of ice. But ice patches, which do not move, preserve artefacts in place—and in excellent condition—until the ice melts.

People didn't live there; it was a snowy mountain pass and not a glacier.
 
Answering the counterfactual question I highlighted.

"... ending all wars and hostilities": What a quaint idea. Maybe holding hands and singing Kumbaya and We'd Like to Teach the World to Sing will bring universal peace and harmony? Humans are such gentle and peaceful creatures. According to Donnie, Biden's "now in charge with dealing with Russia and possible nuclear war …just think of it, we would be in World War II." Too bad Donnie wasn't POTUS when WWII really did start; he'd have ended it in 24 hours, right?
Well, sure.

Donnie would have been such great friends with Hitler and Hirohito that he could have averted World War II by sending a polite telegram to each, thereby saving well over 50 million lives.

But FDR was the US President back then. Instead of befriending Hitler and Hirohito, FDR was friendly with England and France and Canada and Australia and a lot of other countries Donnie despises.
 
Answering the counterfactual question I highlighted.


Well, sure.

Donnie would have been such great friends with Hitler and Hirohito that he could have averted World War II by sending a polite telegram to each, thereby saving well over 50 million lives.

But FDR was the US President back then. Instead of befriending Hitler and Hirohito, FDR was friendly with England and France and Canada and Australia and a lot of other countries Donnie despises.

And Russia, but Donnie likes them!
 
Absolutely Biden is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine. The World sees Biden as a weak leader, a frazzled old man that should be spending his remaining days of senility somewhere besides the Oval Office. That and he's on the Chinese payroll.

Given Obama's cold shoulder treatment of Israel, it's highly likely Hamas was betting on Biden doing likewise.

What would Trump have done if Putin invaded Ukraine? That's an easy one, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been in office. But just for fun, let's let you have your way, say Trump was still President and Putin invaded Ukraine. Within 24 hours Trump would have been on the phone with Putin with a deal whereby ending the hostilities would create great wealth for both sides. That's what he does. Making money is more important and more profitable than making war. Which reminds me, unless I'm mistaken you were one of the many here that claimed Trump would start World War 3? But he didn't. Warmonger is currently a word reserved for Biden and his supporters, not Trump. Some of you guys are shouting "Free Palestine!" While others are supporting Israel's bombardment. You guys need to get it together to support ending all wars and hostilities and concentrate on making money. Spend some of it on solar for your home.

It's the Leftists that enjoy the never ending wars.

"Leftists enjoy never ending wars?". This is a soundbite, but simply isn't factual.

Both Bushs started multiple wars. George W Bush started the longest war in US history in Afghanistan. Reagan started wars. A long time fixture in the Republican party were those that promoted the constant use of American military might to establish worldwide US hegemony.
And the GOP wasn't the least bit shy about it. Lest we forget the Project for the New American Century. Pax Americana was a long standing objective of the dominant faction of the GOP since Eisenhower. However, Eisenhower always tried to have it both ways.

The idea that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been President is wild wishful and naive thinking. Biden was seen overseas as weak? Why? Because he was two years older than Trump? Trump was the biggest foreign policy pussy for a 130 years. Trump set out to weaken the US abroad. He made it clear he had no intention of getting the US involved in any conflict outside of maybe bombing Mexico.

Trump was Putin's doormat. It was Trump who threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't announce an investigation into Joe Biden.
Why in the world would anyone think that Trump would have even attempted to dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine? If anything Trump would have done everything in his power to help Russia because Ukraine refused to help Trump politically.
 
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"Leftists enjoy never ending wars?". This is a soundbite, but simply isn't factual.

Both Bushs started multiple wars. George W Bush started the longest war in US history in Afghanistan. Reagan started wars. A long time fixture in the Republican party were those that promoted the constant use of American military might to establish worldwide US hegemony.
And the GOP wasn't the least bit shy about it. Lest we forget the Project for the New American Century. Pax Americana was a long standing objective of the dominant faction of the GOP since Eisenhower. However, Eisenhower always tried to have it both ways.

The idea that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been President is wild wishful and naive thinking. Biden was seen overseas as weak? Why? Because he was two years older than Trump? Trump was the biggest foreign policy pussy for a 130 years. Trump set out to weaken the US abroad. He made it clear he had no intention of getting the US involved in any conflict outside of maybe bombing Mexico.

Trump was Putin's doormat. It was Trump who threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't announce an investigation into Joe Biden. Why in the world would anyone think that Trump would have even attempted to dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine? If anything Trump would have done everything in his power to help Russia because Ukraine refused to help Trump politically.

This, a thousand times this. Hell, Trumps 'plan' for ending it in 24 hours will involve American troops in Ukraine, fighting FOR Russia.
 
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Ok...how about this photo of empty shelves taken at a Saugus, Massachusetts grocery store on March 13, 2020?

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Oh, I held back on the derogatory descriptors. There aren't enough to convey my feelings for Trump or the idea that he will ever again be in the WH.

It's not anti-Trump people who suffer from TDS; that belongs to those who support a psychopath who is a pathological liar, who has divided this country with constant lies about a 'rigged' and 'stolen' election and who incited a insurrection because his frail little ego couldn't accept he lost.

I've never claimed there were no shortages in the US during the early days of Covid-19. In fact I already confirmed your observation previously by pointing out there was an empty toilet tissue aisle at Dollar General here as well.

I just didn't like the picture from Hong Kong being portrayed as being from the US. You know, like those Obama era photos of kids in cages that were passed off as then present day Trump era stuff.

P.S. You did it again.
 
"Leftists enjoy never ending wars?". This is a soundbite, but simply isn't factual.

Both Bushs started multiple wars. George W Bush started the longest war in US history in Afghanistan. Reagan started wars. A long time fixture in the Republican party were those that promoted the constant use of American military might to establish worldwide US hegemony.
And the GOP wasn't the least bit shy about it. Lest we forget the Project for the New American Century. Pax Americana was a long standing objective of the dominant faction of the GOP since Eisenhower. However, Eisenhower always tried to have it both ways.

The idea that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump had been President is wild wishful and naive thinking. Biden was seen overseas as weak? Why? Because he was two years older than Trump? Trump was the biggest foreign policy pussy for a 130 years. Trump set out to weaken the US abroad. He made it clear he had no intention of getting the US involved in any conflict outside of maybe bombing Mexico.

Trump was Putin's doormat. It was Trump who threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine if they didn't announce an investigation into Joe Biden.
Why in the world would anyone think that Trump would have even attempted to dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine? If anything Trump would have done everything in his power to help Russia because Ukraine refused to help Trump politically.

It's my opinion that President Trump was not either of the Presidents Bush. I wouldn't vote for either Bush myself, but this thread is supposed to be about voting for Trump I thought.

Also, to the best of my recollection Putin did not invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. So if we're going by facts, rather than opinion, Putin invaded Ukraine during the Biden Admin. You can have an opinion of course but the facts are worth quite a bit more in this case. The facts "trump" your opinion in other words.

Why would Trump dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine? For the same reason he did not invade Iran after the rocket attacks on our Iraqi base or the drone they shot down. He doesn't like war. I don't either. There are many other ways to get back at a problem Country besides going to war and killing people. Financial pains can be more influential to problem Governments, it beats killing their soldiers (and ours).

I do agree that most Countries did not like the "America First" policy. I can also attest that many Americans didn't like other Countries not paying their fair share for security too. There were also the one sided trade deals that benefited other Countries that were not good for the US economy or the US worker. The Democrat policies of redistributing wealth seem to be very popular for those receiving that wealth. Are you currently satisfied with the current purchasing power of your US dollar? Or can you remember a time not that long ago when you could purchase more than you do now? Hint, it wasn't that long ago.
 
Haha… love the idea of Trump “making a deal” that would have stopped the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What “deal” would that have been exactly? Like the deal that would have had Mexico pay for the wall? Like the healthcare plan to replace Obamacare? Like the infrastructure plan?

Too funny watching Trump supporters talk about Trump “making deals” like it’s still 2015 and we haven’t already seen proof positive of his lies and grift.

Please feel free to review if you've never seen this list:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
 
I've never claimed there were no shortages in the US during the early days of Covid-19. In fact I already confirmed your observation previously by pointing out there was an empty toilet tissue aisle at Dollar General here as well.

I've already explained in my post to Brainster that I was being sarcastic, as you were as well, and I never claimed you did.

I just didn't like the picture from Hong Kong being portrayed as being from the US.

Which was unintentional on my part so I provided you with a correct one. And it wasn't just empty toilet paper shelves.

You know, like those Obama era photos of kids in cages that were passed off as then present day Trump era stuff.

Yep, those photos were from 2014. They were posted and wrongly attributed by the Arizona Republic newspaper. Trump was correct about that, but he was also lying when he tweeted:
Separating families at the Border is the fault of bad legislation passed by the Democrats. Border Security laws should be changed but the Dems can’t get their act together! Started the Wall.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 5, 2018

That policy was passed in May, 2018, under HIS administration.

The "zero-tolerance" policy he announced [in May 2018] sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

As a result, hundreds of minors are now being housed in detention centres, and kept away from their parents.

Over a recent six-week period, nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents after illegally crossing the border, figures released on [15 June 2018].



P.S. You did it again.

Stating that Trump is a psychopath, a pathological liar and has a frail little ego is not TDS: it's simple truth.

Dr. Lance Dodes, Harvard Medical School professor of psychiatry:
Trump's latest threats to place opponents in jail, including President Biden, fit with the limitless nature of psychopaths. Lacking a conscience or morality to limit his sadism, and believing in his worth above all others, leads Trump to think he has the right to destroy anyone who does not submit to him. Without the innate capacity for empathy toward others and a sense of right and wrong, Trump is an extreme outlier in human psychology.
His success is possible by his ability to convince large numbers of people, with the help of his party and some in the media, that he is not what he is.

That's pretty evident!
"Psychopaths are often pathological liars, have very high self-estimation*, are impulsive and fail to regulate and take responsibility for their behaviours."

*"Narcissists may seem to love themselves, but a new study finds that narcissistic self-aggrandizement may hide deep feelings of inferiority."

Gee, just who does THAT sound like?

Do you dispute that Trump is a pathological liar as evidenced by the incredible number of documented and proven lies he's told? Do you dispute that he's a narcissist with a tiny little ego that must be boosted constantly with self-aggrandizing claims and the need to attack anyone who disparages him in any way?
 
Please feel free to review if you've never seen this list:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

To begin with, one should examine this list of accomplishments with a hafty dose of salt.
Just like everything involving Trump, many of these claims are not just spin, but outright fabrications. Trump lied about everything throughout his entire life. So it should hardly be a surprise that his administration would also lie about its accomplishments.
 
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To begin with, one should examine this list of accomplishments with a hafty dose of salt.
Just like everything involving Trump, many of these claims are not just spin, but outright fabrications. Trump lied about everything throughout his entire life. So it should hardly be a surprise that his administration would also lie about its accomplishments.

Notice the "accomplishments" stop at covid even though Trump was in charge over that too.
 
To begin with, one should examine this list of accomplishments with a hafty dose of salt.
Just like everything involving Trump, many of these claims are not just spin, but outright fabrications. Trump lied about everything throughout his entire life. So it should hardly be a surprise that his administration would also lie about its accomplishments.

Notice the "accomplishments" stop at covid even though Trump was in charge over that too.

What I've never understood is why anyone would believe a word Trump says.

In my entire life I've NEVER encountered anyone who lies more than Trump. Not a single person. And I worked most of my entire adult life working in sales. Many of my colleagues told far more than their fair share of whoppers. But none of these sleazebags could hold a candle when compared to Trump.

The interesting thing about Trump is he absolutely doesn't care about what the truth might be. It's irrelevant to whatever narrative he is pitching. It might be true, somewhat true, somewhat false or a total fabrication.
 
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Please feel free to review if you've never seen this list:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Feel free to review this FACT CHECKING of many claims put out by the Trump WH and Trump himself (known for their unfailing and strict adherence to the TRUTH :rolleyes:).

Fact-checking Donald Trump on his economy and Joe Biden’s

Although some of Trump’s statements are accurate, particularly on mortgage rates, others are either misleading or plain wrong. He often cherry-picks data to minimize the economic fallout during his presidency, while maximizing the pandemic’s impact on the economy during Biden’s tenure.

Your WH link list restricts everything to "Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy."

What he fails to ever mention is that he INHERITED a booming economy recovering from the 2008 crash from the Obama administration and rode its coattails:

In Trump’s favor, US unemployment hit a 50-year low of 3.5 percent in December 2019. In January this year, however, before states imposed lockdowns to try and contain the coronavirus, the Labor Department issued an update that was less positive; revised numbers showed job growth slowed significantly in the first three years of Trump’s presidency.
Some 6.5 million jobs were added between 2017 and 2019 -- 2.109m, 2.314m (in 2018, Trump’s best year) and 2.096m. This compared to more than eight million jobs -- 3.004m, 2.72m and 2.345m -- in the three prior years, under Barack Obama.

If Trump cherry-picked anymore, he'd have to hire farm laborers.
 
What I've never understood is why anyone would believe a word Trump says.
In my entire life I've NEVER encountered anyone who lies more than Trump. Not a single person. And I worked most of my entire adult life working in sales. Many of my colleagues told far more than their fair share of whoppers. But none of these sleazebags could hold a candle when compared to Trump.

The interesting thing about Trump is he absolutely doesn't care about what the truth might be. It's irrelevant to whatever narrative he is pitching. It might be true, somewhat true, somewhat false or a total fabrication.

Anyone who still thinks that Trump is not a pathological liar, narcissist, and psychopath is choosing to be blind. I don't think anyone with an IQ over 90 could honestly believe he's not. It's a choice.
 
Feel free to review this FACT CHECKING of many claims put out by the Trump WH and Trump himself (known for their unfailing and strict adherence to the TRUTH :rolleyes:).

Fact-checking Donald Trump on his economy and Joe Biden’s



Your WH link list restricts everything to "Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy."
What he fails to ever mention is that he INHERITED a booming economy recovering from the 2008 crash from the Obama administration and rode its coattails:
If Trump cherry-picked anymore, he'd have to hire farm laborers.

This!

What people should always understand about the economy is that it does not and has never has turned on a dime. The first year of any Presidency is in fact, the last year of the previous President's policies. It would be Trump's last budget. Not Biden's first.

Any new President starts his tenure by passing legislation that takes effect in the second year of their term. And those policies take time in making an impact. Construction projects for example can take years before breaking ground.

I wouldn't necessarily blame Trump for the spike in inflation during Biden's second year. COVID, the worldwide lockdowns, the shipping issues etc were as much a structural problem that went on for years long before Trump became President.

And to be fair to Trump, he's an idiot. His administration was inept and did little to help or hurt the economy. One can hardly blame or give credit to people who didn't know what they were doing and didn't care.
 
What people should always understand about the economy is that it does not and has never has turned on a dime.

There is a surprisingly large number of people who believe that on the desk of the US president are two dials: one labelled "Economy" that can be turned to "Good" or "Bad", and the other is "Gas Prices" which can be "High" or "Low".
 
There is a surprisingly large number of people who believe that on the desk of the US president are two dials: one labelled "Economy" that can be turned to "Good" or "Bad", and the other is "Gas Prices" which can be "High" or "Low".

Something like that.

^^Should be noted that the GOP has been fighting Biden tooth and nail on doing anything that might improve gas prices. They'll blame him for the high gas prices while at the same time helping the oil companies keep those prices high.
 

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