Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Jack by the hedge said:
It seems he has observed his advertisers each acting in their own self interest to protect their reputations from association with his conspiracy theory endorsements, and interpreted it as their all conspiring against him. It's ironic but I guess it's consistent.
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Yes, he seems to be suffering from some sort of paranoia. He can't accept that he simply does not have the skills to run a social media company.
 
dirtywick said:
haha could you imagine if it goes big bang, molecules, consciousness, elon musk

musk impresses you for the twitter purchase? why? as an entrepreneur, he completely misunderstood how the platform worked and tanked it almost immediately. oh, didn't he leverage billions of tesla stock against the loans? well, how's that looking to pan out? what a wise investment. i mean, he's got no one else to blame but himself. doesn't mean he won't find somebody.

as a free speech enthusiast, which started immediately with the twitter files where he combed through slack and found anyone who disparaged him and fired them, went into throttling traffic to other similar sites, then interfering in turkish and indian elections, to he's suing a media group because accurate reporting made him look bad. and there's dozens of really important things in between there. most of it incredibly self centered and hypocritical. unless he's changing the 4th singularity to mean lying is now good, this was all a disaster.

he's a liar and a cheat. we probably don't want to talk about his bitcoin scams or his securities fraud if we want to talk about how great of a guy he is. how impressive it is to steal from his most impressionablist simpletonist of his fans. the guys who trust him. do honest people run crypto scams?

and it hasn't worked out too well for the guys who trusted him either. how's matt taibbi doing? he promises the moon, but twitter can't produce the revenue they need to pay the bills and he throttles or blocks his competitors, the ones that are actually paying out. but they've outlived their usefulness at this point anyway. let's be honest, they're barely even people to him. at least they're not trans tho

you know, when you list it out, and i skipped a lot like the most famous of his blunders the pedo diver, or the jussie smollet-esque faked attack against his family, or the way he went after the kid with the jet tracker, or even the simple chapelle show booing lie. want to talk about the "full-self driving" feature, which is more of a branding trick that once in a while kills someone. that's bad right? killing people, well who cares about people? want to talk about the time he cut off starlink to ukraine? want to talk about his tesla "ventilators"? we're here for the money.

bottom line is you can't make a trillion dollars without ripping a lot of people off. you're wrong about him, because he has no integrity. you shouldn't pathetically cling to a guy who doesn't have integrity, because they don't stand for anything and they'll disappoint you every time.
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I fully appreciate your fulsome appraisal, but I can't imagine a higher idealistation of what language is capable of.
We have cancelled Shakespeare, ( how dare we judge you because you have judged us).
 
Samson said:
I fully appreciate your fulsome appraisal, but I can't imagine a higher idealistation of what language is capable of.
We have cancelled Shakespeare, ( how dare we judge you because you have judged us).
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well if you really want me to rant we could talk about cancellation. but i'll save that for another thread.

hopefully shakespeare is ok
 
Samson said:
Exactly what is observed in nature. I thought it obvious.
A singularity is a quantum leap if you follow me

Big bang, all matter created in 15 minutes into a strange place 256 times what we can observe

Self replicating molecules 4 billion years ago.

Conciousness 700 million years ago.

Transfer of abstract notions when LAnguage evolved.
Only human primates.
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Language is the third singularity:

Michel Bauwens said:
There will soon be four singularities of the universe, building on the achievements of the first three, argues Olivier Auber in a brilliant essay.

Some backgrond first:

– the first Singularity of the Universe (the alleged Big Bang).

– the second Singularity that took place on earth and probably on billions of other planets: the explosion of codes called Abiogenesis, that realized the transition of a world without biology to a world with biology. Most species that emerged during the Abiogenesis disappeared or mutated, while a small number have proliferated into the present.

– the third Singularity; the origination of the human language,

– the fourth one, a hypothetical one; would be the inception of two possible class of artificial living species (Artificial General Intelligence and Mindplexes)
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Source

Auber's "brilliant essay" (PDF): Refounding legitimacy towards Aethogenesis Olivier Auber Evolution, Complexity and COgnition (ECCO lab), Vrije Universiteit Brus

ETA: I mean, it's a load of bollocks, but at least get it right...


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Jack by the hedge said:
It seems he has observed his advertisers each acting in their own self interest to protect their reputations from association with his conspiracy theory endorsements, and interpreted it as their all conspiring against him. It's ironic but I guess it's consistent.
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There seems to be a genuine anger behind his outburst. Elon usually tries to deflect with memes and a cavalier attitude but I think the unending downward spiral of Twitter under his ownership has weighed heavier on his ponderous ego than he's been letting on up until now.
 
Samson said:
Exactly what is observed in nature. I thought it obvious.
A singularity is a quantum leap if you follow me

Big bang, all matter created in 15 minutes into a strange place 256 times what we can observe

Self replicating molecules 4 billion years ago.

Conciousness 700 million years ago.

Transfer of abstract notions when LAnguage evolved.
Only human primates.
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junkshop said:
Language is the third singularity:



Source

Auber's "brilliant essay" (PDF): Refounding legitimacy towards Aethogenesis Olivier Auber Evolution, Complexity and COgnition (ECCO lab), Vrije Universiteit Brus

ETA: I mean, it's a load of bollocks, but at least get it right...


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LOL!

“I thought it was obvious.”

This, kids, is why you should say “no!” to “sensemakers” and their interminable BS podcasts. It will mess up your mind!
 
Samson said:
I fully appreciate your fulsome appraisal, but I can't imagine a higher idealistation of what language is capable of.
We have cancelled Shakespeare, ( how dare we judge you because you have judged us).
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Must tell my friends who are going to see Hamlet tonight, one has dropped out her ticket is available £43.50 if you can make it, that it has been cancelled.
 
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GlennB said:
Can anybody offer a translation of this? Thanks in advance.
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"Musk has allowed Jordan B Peterson and Nazis onto his X, Jordan B Peterson and the Nazis are anti-trans therefore he is my hero for allowing these anti-trans voices onto his X"
 
dirtywick said:
…want to talk about the "full-self driving" feature, which is more of a branding trick that once in a while kills someone. that's bad right? killing people, well who cares about people?
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I don’t disagree with much of what you said, but this part is uninformed.

ANY autonomous driving scheme is 100% guaranteed to occasionally “kill people”. The goal is not zero deaths, but a huge, order-of-magnitude reduction in accidents, injuries and deaths. A large reduction in each has already been observed, even with (the admittedly poorly named) Full Self Driving in its current form. If I have time, I’ll try to put numbers on that improvement, which will only improve over time.

Edited to add: one such stat: “Tesla’s Vehicle Safety Report for the third quarter of 2022 shows one crash for every 6.26 million miles driven among drivers using “Autopilot” technology. Among drivers not using this technology, there was one crash for every 1.71 million miles driven.” This is not even Full Self Driving, but does show the potential for it to be much safer than unassisted driving, even in its current state.
 
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Samson said:
Exactly what is observed in nature. I thought it obvious.
A singularity is a quantum leap if you follow me

Big bang, all matter created in 15 minutes into a strange place 256 times what we can observe

Self replicating molecules 4 billion years ago.

Conciousness 700 million years ago.

Transfer of abstract notions when LAnguage evolved.
Only human primates.
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Oh good grief. Could you at least try and keep to something rational and relevant.
 
Maybe if he'd dumped those massive gobs of dosh into transhumanist research instead of Twitter. X isn't singularity-adjascent, though it is approaching some kind of event horizon beyond which not even money can escape.
 
HansMustermann said:
Quite plausibly, yeah. But that was one of the things I was wondering: does he actually believe so many CTs? Most people stop at one or two? Or is it just an act for whatever reason?

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Do they?

I always thought that most of the 'believers' tended to cheerfully load up on anything new that pops up without concern for obvious contradictions, and possibly a certain disappointment in themselves for not having though of it first.
 
Darat said:
Must tell my friends who are going to see Hamlet tonight, one has dropped out her ticket is available £43.50 if you can make it, that it has been cancelled.
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Yeah, pretty much.

The whole "woke people are cancelling Shakespeare" is pretty much just yet another case of Much Ado About Nothing. It's ginned up outrage at the entirely normal and desirable processes that happen as conditions change over time. These conditions include language (puns don't work when the language has changed enough), the market, the audience, the now dramatically greater amount of other options to choose from, the... yeah.

Our heritage should not be forgotten, either way, but it should never rule us, define us, or prevent current additions to the legacy that we add to the heritage that we pass along.

As for Musk changing the very nature of language with his Twitter purchase? That sounds impressive, but is fairly certain to be naught more than ignorant fantasy and theft of credit.

ETA: It's perhaps worth adding that the same forces that are working to manufacture outrage about the "cancelling" of Shakespeare, which largely isn't even close to actually eliminating such, are also the forces that actually are working to ban and destroy literature. That has included Shakespeare, much as there's been some attempted backtracking after the glaring contradiction was brought to light.
 
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Darat said:
Must tell my friends who are going to see Hamlet tonight, one has dropped out her ticket is available £43.50 if you can make it, that it has been cancelled.
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Is it the full text, such as it is, or an abridged version? Most people aren't up to 4.5 hours....
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I don’t disagree with much of what you said, but this part is uninformed.

ANY autonomous driving scheme is 100% guaranteed to occasionally “kill people”. The goal is not zero deaths, but a huge, order-of-magnitude reduction in accidents, injuries and deaths. A large reduction in each has already been observed, even with (the admittedly poorly named) Full Self Driving in its current form. If I have time, I’ll try to put numbers on that improvement, which will only improve over time.

Edited to add: one such stat: “Tesla’s Vehicle Safety Report for the third quarter of 2022 shows one crash for every 6.26 million miles driven among drivers using “Autopilot” technology. Among drivers not using this technology, there was one crash for every 1.71 million miles driven.” This is not even Full Self Driving, but does show the potential for it to be much safer than unassisted driving, even in its current state.
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i'll give you that i'm uninformed, like in general not just this, and perhaps the tesla safety report is accurate though i would immediately question it given the recent safety reports coming out of spacex and musks generally deceptive nature.

but i do have a problem with them calling it full self driving, it is poorly named in a really bad way. but mostly i was just listing things i don't like about musk, which is a lot.
 
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