Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

[jimbob]

I want Elon to be involved in a conspiracy that needs a lengthy investigation.

I want it to be called Elongate.

I bet you're pleased with yourself.

You should be

 

[Andy_Ross]

I bet you're pleased with yourself.

You should be

Incredibly, I didn't even steal it from Twitter.

 

[Aridas]

Here we have a clip where Musk is described as the greatest living American, and noting that there is no other country on this planet he could have done all this thing.
Please let this be an agreed FACT so any pile on cogently refutes that notion.

Megyn Kelly is a fan girl so let us all sneeer.

https://youtu.be/jPCNJ0ygfT8?si=0lGYtm_ZV9Ox1txX

Why would you think that this would pass muster?

You're basically begging for others to just agree that you're totally right on a point where there's been vehement disagreement. Going further, it would be absurd to expect widespread agreement in the first place even without that, given the very nature of the claimed "fact."

Much more could easily be said, but without that being addressed, I think that it would be practically meaningless.

 

[Samson]

Why would you think that this would pass muster?

You're basically begging for others to just agree that you're totally right on a point where there's been vehement disagreement. Going further, it would be absurd to expect widespread agreement in the first place even without that, given the very nature of the claimed "fact."

Much more could easily be said, but without that being addressed, I think that it would be practically meaningless.

To be more clear, I suggest it can be an agreed fact that only in America could an individual become the biggest player in media, electric cars, and space travel in the world.

 

[varwoche]

To be more clear, I suggest it can be an agreed fact that only in America could an individual become the biggest player in media, electric cars, and space travel in the world.

Nope:

1. You're fundamentally clueless about what a fact is. We don't know that "only in America..." is true. It's unknowable. That's your opinion.

2. X is miniscule compared to large media companies such as Disney. It's not even the biggest social media company. (For icing on the cake, X is tanking since Musk acquired it.)

Try again.

 

[Aridas]

To be more clear, I suggest it can be an agreed fact that only in America could an individual become the biggest player in media, electric cars, and space travel in the world.

Thank you for that narrowing.

Even so, though, it's difficult to accept that "only" as a "fact." The path to such may be easiest in the US, but that doesn't eliminate the potential to do so elsewhere. I suppose that one could try to invoke technicalities about the space industry and the US' massive dominance there to try to make a small point, but that's basically grasping at straws to salvage a technicality.

As it applies to Musk and the media, in particular, I have strong doubts about any attempt to label him as "the biggest player in media," regardless. He may have become the biggest upstart in media after he acquired Twitter and decided to try making running it all about him and his desires, but that's not the same thing as biggest player. Further, he's already squandered much of that and is on course to kill Twitter, which would remove even that questionable justification.

 

[catsmate]

To be more clear, I suggest it can be an agreed fact that only in America could an individual become the biggest player in media, electric cars, and space travel in the world.

Who is this person?

 

[Samson]

Thank you for that narrowing.

Even so, though, it's difficult to accept that "only" as a "fact." The path to such may be easiest in the US, but that doesn't eliminate the potential to do so elsewhere. I suppose that one could try to invoke technicalities about the space industry and the US' massive dominance there to try to make a small point, but that's basically grasping at straws to salvage a technicality.

As it applies to Musk and the media, in particular, I have strong doubts about any attempt to label him as "the biggest player in media," regardless. He may have become the biggest upstart in media after he acquired Twitter and decided to try making running it all about him and his desires, but that's not the same thing as biggest player. Further, he's already squandered much of that and is on course to kill Twitter, which would remove even that questionable justification.

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.
X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.
Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

 

[Samson]

And now we learn how difficult nazis are to deal with, where Substack has the same problem as X.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...Wyac8ltI&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I suggest education must be broadened to better provide filters for people from age 2 and up. This will be the new age of enlightenment. It starts with science science and more science. Everything is science, including the human brain. Chomsky in his better days described deep structure of language. See that word structure, this is science. If X is a pirate ship, it is up to the traders to use their judgment.

I suggest the above for discussion rather than the gospel according to me.

 

[junkshop]

...X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player...

Nope.

As of 2023, there are approximately 556 million active monthly users on X.

There are 2.95 Billion Monthly Active Users on Facebook

TikTok has over 1.677 billion users globally, out of which 1.1 billion are its monthly active users

There are currently over 2.35 billion monthly active Instagram users...The platform is estimated to reach over 2.5 billion by the end of 2023

This site has a graph ranking social media platforms by monthly active users, as of October 2023. Twitter/X comes 12^th out of 15 (and they credit it with a higher MAU than my first link).

...Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

I'm not aware of Soros owning a social media platform. I can't think why you would choose him as the antithesis of Musk...

 

[angrysoba]

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.
X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.
Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

These things don’t have to be one or the other.

Your whole reasoning about this looks like cult dynamics to me. Asked if there is anything to criticize in the dear leader you merely say that this leader is more deserving of veneration than some other one. Stop being a slave to internet daddies and think for yourself.

And now we learn how difficult nazis are to deal with, where Substack has the same problem as X.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...Wyac8ltI&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I suggest education must be broadened to better provide filters for people from age 2 and up. This will be the new age of enlightenment. It starts with science science and more science. Everything is science, including the human brain. Chomsky in his better days described deep structure of language. See that word structure, this is science. If X is a pirate ship, it is up to the traders to use their judgment.

I suggest the above for discussion rather than the gospel according to me.

What on Earth has Chomsky describing deep structure of language got to do with anything?

Besides, Chomskyan linguistics looks less and less like a good model for language these days. In fact it’s been picked apart for the last forty years or more.

 

[Darat]

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.
X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.
Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

Which media matters’ campaign?

 

[varwoche]

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.
X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.
Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

Soros??

You're playing Mad Libs again. Are you familiar with that game for kids, where random nouns and verbs are inserted into a narrative?

Do you know the reason why the right-wing nuts who you rely on for "facts" wave Soros' name around so persistently and fervently? Thats because they, like your hero, are anti-semites. Why are you waving it around in this random fashion? It's not a good look.

 

[arthwollipot]

I want Elon to be involved in a conspiracy that needs a lengthy investigation.

I want it to be called Elongate.

Damn, that could go on forever.

 

[novaphile]

It's all as nutty as a bag of nuts in a nut shop on a nut farm, in Nutville, during nut season, whether version 1 or version q.

FTFY.

 

[novaphile]

Be careful, if certain 'members' discover that Shakespeare contains men dressing as women and women dressing as men...

... heads may asplode.

 

[dirtywick]

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.
X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.
Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

why? soros is the head of a secret jew cabal that runs the world. musk was defeated by beta cuck journalists

 

[Aridas]

Yes in the clip posted, he says X might be finished because of the media matters campaign.

To be perfectly clear about what that is, that's an example of flailing about for an excuse. Media Matters is a minor player in the big picture, at very best. Even when it comes to this "campaign" that you speak of, it would have pretty much no effect if it weren't for Musk and those he's been actively working to amplify pushing such and thus giving ample cause for credible concern.

To point out something that eludes some again, the product that Twitter actually sells is access to and understanding of the users. Under Dorsey, the rules and moderation were fundamentally focused on maximizing access to the users. Under Musk? He's largely been doing the opposite and restricting access to the users, both directly and indirectly. Directly with policy and indirectly by making the environment more and more undesirable for both advertisers and users.

THAT is why X might be finished so quickly. Not Media Matters.

X has the broadest reach in Western media, so is arguably the biggest player.

Addressed by others already. This claim is not factual. Facebook has been overwhelmingly bigger all along, as an easy example.

Soros or Musk for having in your foxhole, I favour Musk.

Apples and oranges, really, when it comes to this, and the very fact that you're invoking Soros is pretty much an admission that you know that you don't actually have a case here but don't want to give up on your preferred fantasy, by the look of it.

 

[Checkmite]

Which media matters’ campaign?

He must be referring to their *checks* one news article

 

[jeremyp]

Not really. Twitter was already losing money, and was over 5 billion in debt. Which it still has to pay interest on even under Musk. That only got even worse after Musk saddled it with even more massive debt. The effect was pretty much like throwing a drowning man an anvil. To wit, IIRC it has to pay the banks about a billion a year. Even if Musk did nothing at all, it would sink and fast.

I think Twitter was on its way back to profit. It might have made one in 2022 if Musk hadn’t intervened. However, the extra $1 billion interest payments that Musk saddled it with could never have been covered.