General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[Sherkeu]

Yes, making genocide easier to commit is a "reasonable precaution".

PA doesnt want Gaza. At least they will not take on administration of Gaza without payment in West Bank land.

Hamas seems to have made Gaza unpopular. It's friends and neighbors remain distantly supportive- without any sanction to Israel. That should tell you all you need.

Gaza should be a gold mine for building and investing. But no one wants the people that go with it.
Sad.
Saddest for all those small children.

 

[Leumas]

Making Tomorrow's Terrorists

Gaza should be a gold mine for building and investing.

Yes... yes... settler colonies can be a windfall for all the SETTLERS... if only they could CLEAN AWAY that trash of unwanted DARK humans.

PA doesnt want Gaza....without payment in West Bank land.

Giving back what is stolen is not a payment... but yes... the PA/PLO are just as sordidly grotesque humans as the Zionists.

It's friends and neighbors remain distantly supportive- without any sanction to Israel. That should tell you all you need.

Yes... that the Zionists' doctrine of making it a hideous concentration camp has worked very well.

Mow the Lawn: Israel’s Strategy For Perpetual War With the Palestinians
Israel's confidence that it could go on indefinitely “mowing the lawn” without seeking a political solution may seem accurate. But the mowing may not merely be perpetual, but self-perpetuating.

...
Sad.
Saddest for all those small children.

Yes indeed... especially when you realize that this EVIL SAVAGE HAMAS is made up out of humans who were themselves children when the European Zionist Settler Colonialists came to their parents' lands and stole them and demolished their houses and ethnically cleansed them into concentration camps for the last SIXTY YEARS... while watching from over the walls of torment and oppression how those Zionists are bringing INDIANS and AFRICANS and RUSSIANS and Ukrainians and Americans to take their parents' old lands.... under the auspices of the most grotesquely racist epithet of Aliyah.

Think what those children you are now "sad" for will think in 40 years from now.

 

[webfusion]

where were those well-developed fighting forces on october 7th ?

Are you unaware that the counter-fight against the infiltrators was carried out with a huge loss of HAMAS guys? Many Israeli troops were given the fastival weekend to be home with family. It's a tradition in Israel to let as many conscripts, and reservists, as possible get 'leave' on these types of national holidays.
Those that remained were surprised at the ferocity of the attack, and bases were overrun.

After the initial wave, IDF battled back effectively, although we're so sorry to see dozens of our guys fall in Gaza. There seems to be some headway in the war. The hospitals are being cleared of non-medical personnel and their weaponry. I've seen the fighting forces plowing through Gaza, these divisions sure seem well-developed and ready for the task.

 

[Roboramma]

Yes, making genocide easier to commit is a "reasonable precaution".

Birth certificates make genocide easier to commit, but that doesn't make them a bad idea. Israel is not committing genocide, so your objection here doesn't make much sense.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Israel is not committing genocide, so your objection here doesn't make much sense.

I think Gulliver Foyle's hope is that, if he keeps repeating this allegation, the rest of us will somehow be convinced that it's true.

 

[Leumas]

...Israel is not committing genocide...

Denying facts and insisting on giving "alternative facts" does not ever change reality...

You are arrantly wrong... Israel has in the past... and continues today to commit the human rights CRIME of genocide... not to mention the scores of other crimes it has and continues to commit against the Palestinians AND HUMANITY.

Israel has IRREFRAGABLY committed THREE out of the five acts considered to be genocide... and arguably the other two as well.

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

These five acts were:

1. killing members of the group,
2. causing them serious bodily or mental harm,
3. imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group,
4. preventing births,
5. and forcibly transferring children out of the group.

Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.

if he keeps repeating this allegation, the rest of us will somehow be convinced that it's true.

Repeatedly denying facts and reality will never change the FACTS of reality...

You are arrantly wrong as evinced by reality.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Are you unaware that the counter-fight against the infiltrators was carried out with a huge loss of HAMAS guys? Many Israeli troops were given the fastival weekend to be home with family. It's a tradition in Israel to let as many conscripts, and reservists, as possible get 'leave' on these types of national holidays.
Those that remained were surprised at the ferocity of the attack, and bases were overrun.

After the initial wave, IDF battled back effectively, although we're so sorry to see dozens of our guys fall in Gaza. There seems to be some headway in the war. The hospitals are being cleared of non-medical personnel and their weaponry. I've seen the fighting forces plowing through Gaza, these divisions sure seem well-developed and ready for the task.

are you unaware that for hours, warnings out an imminent and the ongoing attack were ignored by IDF command, and that it has been suggested that that was because most guards at the border reporting were female soldiers and therefore were not taken seriously?

Intervention should have been a questions of minutes, not many , many hours.
But the IDf forces were focusing on the West Bank in the assumptions that the Gaza fence was an insurmountable obstacle.

It's an utter travesty that Netanyahu and the IDF leadership are still in charge.

 

[webfusion]

are you unaware that for hours, warnings out an imminent and the ongoing attack were ignored by IDF command, and that it has been suggested that that was because most guards at the border reporting were female soldiers and therefore were not taken seriously?

I'm aware.
Lessons will be learned. After we succeed in the mission at hand, investigations will happen and names named. Bibi won't emerge unscathed.

You seem to believe that Israel's fighting forces are not effective.
From what we've seen from Oct7th onwards to today, that is not an accurate assessment on your part.

Intervention should have been a questions of minutes, not many , many hours.
But the IDF forces were focusing on the West Bank in the assumptions that the Gaza fence was an insurmountable obstacle.

Do you even realize the scope of the 10-7 attacks? Thousands of rockets all came in at once.
Communications became hectic, and many units had to operate on their own.
Some were decimated, some fought back and succeeded in killing the infiltrators.
I am not going to sit here and second-guess the way 10-7 unfolded, there's no point in doing so right at this junction. After we succeed in the mission at hand, investigations will happen and names named. Bibi won't emerge unscathed.

It's an utter travesty that Netanyahu and the IDF leadership are still in charge.

Not really an 'utter travesty' in the opinion of most Israelis. There will be plenty of opportunity next year to vote in national elections and have the choice to decide who should be the next PM.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Not before Bibi and his killer clowns have pushed Isreal into a pariah role from which the is no coming back.

 

[Ziggurat]

Not before Bibi and his killer clowns have pushed Isreal into a pariah role from which the is no coming back.

Oh please. Israel is already a pariah for much of the world, and it can never come back because the reason it's there in the first place is it's Jewish.

 

[Roboramma]

Denying facts and insisting on giving "alternative facts" does not ever change reality...

You are arrantly wrong... Israel has in the past... and continues today to commit the human rights CRIME of genocide... not to mention the scores of other crimes it has and continues to commit against the Palestinians AND HUMANITY.

Israel has IRREFRAGABLY committed THREE out of the five acts considered to be genocide... and arguably the other two as well.

This is contradicted by your quoted text. Perhaps you missed the qualifier: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". Israel has committed no acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.


Or perhaps you can demonstrate that intent?

 

[Leumas]

... "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".....

Or perhaps you can demonstrate that intent?

Almost every single news outlet has shown Israeli generals and politicians saying exactly what their intent is.

Not to mention the intent of the Zionists and Zionism in the first place.

So go watch the news and read the Zionists' writings and manifestos and declarations since Weizmann to Golda to Begin onwards.

And here is what the career war criminal Netanyahu, the leader of the Likud party founded by a terrorist and war criminal, declared for all the world to hear...

"Erase All of Gaza From the Face of the Earth"

And here the Israeli Minister of Economy and Industry Nir Barkat clearly declaring it...



And here is Yoav Gallant unequivocally declaring it

 

[Brainster]

And here is what the career war criminal Netanyahu, the leader of the Likud party founded by a terrorist and war criminal, declared for all the world to hear...

Just making stuff up now? I clicked on the linked article and the person making the erase all of Gaza statement wasn't Netanyahu, but Galit Distal Atbaryan. The writer at Communist Dreams, tries the "she's from his party and therefore speaks for him." Just as Rashida Tlaib speaks for Joe Biden?

 

[Leumas]

Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity?

Oh please. Israel is already a pariah for much of the world, and it can never come back because the reason it's there in the first place is it's Jewish.

Defense lawyer: Your honor... ladies and gentlemen of the Jury... my client kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed the 17 victims he is being tried for... only because he was himself abused as a child.

Prosecution: Your honor... ladies and gentlemen of the jury... is the defense declaring his client INSANE because he was driven to it? Because he has not entered that as a plea...

Defense Lawyer: No my client is not insane... we just have to not treat him like a criminal by reason of having been abused.

Prosecution: Unless the defense is going to enter a plea of INSANITY by reason of permanent damage due to mental trauma... then the defendant is responsible for his heinous and numerous crimes and has to be tried for them as a sane person who knows the consequences of his actions... unless the defense wants to enter a plea of guilty by reason of insanity.

 

[Leumas]

Just making stuff up now? I clicked on the linked article and the person making the erase all of Gaza statement wasn't Netanyahu, but Galit Distal Atbaryan. The writer at Communist Dreams, tries the "she's from his party and therefore speaks for him." Just as Rashida Tlaib speaks for Joe Biden?

RED HERRING!!!

Nir Barakt alone is enough to convict the Israeli government of genocide... let alone Yoav Gallant... and the rest... of today and throughout the HISTORY of Israel's Settler Colonialist crimes.

The intent to GENOCIDE has been declared and has been demonstrated and has been executed.

Red herrings will not change that fact of reality no matter how many you waft.

 

[Ziggurat]

Defense lawyer:

Your work of fiction has no connection to my post. I'm at a loss as to why you wrote it.

 

[Brainster]

RED HERRING!!!

I caught you in a lie. Own up to it.

 

[Leumas]

I caught you in a lie. Own up to it.

When you admit that Israel has in the past and continues to commit genocide right now... you will realize that the above bare assertion is nothing but a risible red herring.

 

[bobdroege7]

"committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".....

Hamas is not a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.

Hamas is a political and military organization, and as such it is ok to wipe them from the face of the Earth, just as it was ok to wipe out the Nazis.

 

[Brainster]

When you admit that Israel has in the past and continues to commit genocide right now... you will realize that the above bare assertion is nothing but a risible red herring.

Falsus in uno falsus in omnibus. You're a liar.