General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[webfusion]

The identity of the man who struck and caused the death of Paul Kessler has now been identified to the public (not by the cops, but through 'detective work' by social media).
His name is Loay Alnaji, a convert to Islam, and it's been revealed that he was charged with murder before (in Dubai). Alnaji was sentenced to death in Dubai for murder, which was later reduced to manslaughter after he paid monetary compensation to the family of the victim and he was subsequently released from prison. His social media accounts are allegedly replete with support for HAMAS.

 

[Hercules56]

It is totally not true... which is why you keep bare asserting despite the FACTS of international law and sanity.

Israel was created by international law... and it has not obeyed a single other ever since... and broken numerous ones.

The Palestinians were ****** by international law and dispossessed and made refugees... international law in fact fully allows their armed resistance as totally legitimate.

So I am afraid you have it totally all muddled up and topsy turvy... I suggest you learn the history and international laws on the matter... you very clearly do not know either.

The Arabs have rejected international law time and time and time again, before Israel was created and after. Never hear you complain about that once. I guess you think international law is only for Jews but not for Arabs?

 

[Leumas]

Because the people the Afrikaans were in a conflict with hadn't declared a Holy War on the entire world?

Because the people the Afrikaans were in a conflict with wouldn't kill me, you, everyone in this thread, and every Western Coffee Shop Liberal no matter how hard they simp for them?

The muslim insanity has been the direct result of...

this... and this... and this... and most importantly this... and this... and and and and and

 

[JoeMorgue]

The muslim insanity has been the direct result of...

this... and this... and this... and most importantly this... and this... and and and and and

So Muslims have been treated bad so they just get to do whatever they want?

 

[Hercules56]

So Muslims have been treated bad so they just get to do whatever they want?

He seems to be suggesting that very thing. Muslims have been treated bad therefore they are not bound by international law. Only Jews are.

 

[Leumas]

The Arabs ... Arabs?

What does that have to with the Palestinians... why do you keep returning to this error again???

 

[JoeMorgue]

What does that have to with the Palestinians... why do you keep returning to this error again???

Because we're not living in a fantasy world where this is an isolated conflict and not part of a larger "The Muslim World hates Jews and wants them all dead and Israel gone" one.

 

[Hercules56]

What does that have to with the Palestinians... why do you keep returning to this error again???

Please don't edit my comments again like that.

What does this have to do with the Palestinian Arabs? That makes no sense.

 

[Leumas]

So Muslims have been treated bad so they just get to do whatever they want?

No... MUSLIM CRAZIES have been aided and financed and armed and trained since 1900s by the British and then the USA.... READ HISTORY.

The Taliban were created by the USA to fight Russia by Proxy.... read the bloody links I gave you before you assume a strawman.

 

[JoeMorgue]

No... MUSLIM CRAZIES have been aided and financed and armed and trained since 1900s by the British and then the USA.... READ HISTORY.

So Muslims get to kill Jews in 2023 because Reagan had such a hard on for stopping communism he backed the Mujahedeen?

 

[Leumas]

He seems to be suggesting that very thing. Muslims have been treated bad therefore they are not bound by international law. Only Jews are.

I would have told you to read the links I cited before you assume a strawman... but I know you will never do that .... but...

 

[Hercules56]

I would have told you to read the links I cited before you assume a strawman... but I know you will never do that .... but...

Have you ever condemned the Arabs for violating international law before and after 1948?

 

[JoeMorgue]

I'm convinced. Israel gets to invade Germany and kill 6 million modern day, secular, non-Nazi German civilians s and that's totally fair and makes sense because the Holocaust happened.

("IB4 No that's totally different that's a strawman...")

 

[Leumas]

So Muslims get to kill Jews in 2023 because Reagan had such a hard on for stopping communism he backed the Mujahedeen?

And because Zionists equally as crazy went to their lands from an equally crazy Europe and have been ethnically cleansing them since the 1900s too.

Have you read the cited links... I bet you have not...

Let me ask you a question...

If you enter a room and observe A punching B in the face.... do you then conclude that A is the aggressor?
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[Ziggurat]

The Taliban were created by the USA to fight Russia by Proxy.... read the bloody links I gave you before you assume a strawman.

No, they were not. The Taliban were founded in 1994. They didn't even exist until after the Soviet Union collapsed. The Taliban are a creation of Pakistan, not the USA, and they never fought the Russians.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[webfusion]

I need quickly to return to the statement that "Israel was created by International Law"

The Jewish State of Israel was not 'created' by the UN. In fact, UNGA merely passed a resolution recommending a partition. The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize or create either a State or a Government.
Palestine (State) is recognized by 136 UN member nations.

 

[Hercules56]

I'm convinced. Israel gets to invade Germany and kill 6 million modern day, secular, non-Nazi German civilians s and that's totally fair and makes sense because the Holocaust happened.

("IB4 No that's totally different that's a strawman...")

Yes, Leumas is saying that during WW2, Jewish partisans would have been legally and morally justified in launching massacres upon German villages full of civilians.

 

[Hercules56]

I need quickly to return to the statement that "Israel was created by International Law"

The Jewish State of Israel was not 'created' by the UN. In fact, UNGA merely passed a resolution recommending a partition. The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize or create either a State or a Government.
Palestine (State) is recognized by 136 UN member nations.

Wrong. If the UN and the international community did not recognize Israel's existence in 1949 then they would not have been a state, just an illegal entity.

 

[Leumas]

I'm convinced. Israel gets to invade Germany and kill 6 million modern day, secular, non-Nazi German civilians s and that's totally fair and makes sense because the Holocaust happened.

("IB4 No that's totally different that's a strawman...")

Ah... but the victims of Nazi Germany get to invade Palestine and take it over and Ethnically Cleanse it and confine the rest in concentration camps and

... that's totally fair and makes sense because the Holocaust happened.

It is not ok for Zionists to take back THEIR ANCESTRAL lands and houses in Europe from which they were expelled and murdered very recently and within many living Zionists' memory today... but it is ok to take the ancestral lands and houses of the Palestinians???

 

[JoeMorgue]

There is no such thing as a "legit country" because the only thing that makes a country a country is other countries agreeing you are a country. That's how we live in a world where Vatican City is a country and Hong Kong is not and absolutely no objective definition of "Country" you can make where that can make sense.

The whole "Israel was created by blah blah blah" is a red herring. Every country in the world declared itself through statements of power and land grabbing except maybe Singapore the only modern nation-state to become independent against its will which is hilarious but a story for another day.

This is where Liberal White Guilt about Colonialism breaks down because nobody would get to live anywhere if it was really a problem that needed to be solved.

"Oh I don't live in the exact same square foot as our ancestors lived a thousand years ago." Wah ya' ******* babies suck it up.