Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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GlennB said:
You can't in the UK. You have to jump though hoops with DVLA.

"Will a Vehicle Check show the registered keeper name?

No.

It is unlawful in the UK for us to disclose the registered keeper’s details without their permission and it’s the same for everyone else – unless you have a just cause."

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"If you are looking to find a car owner by registration number (fixed name and address), our service is inadequate. Due to GDPR compliance, sharing car owners’ names and addresses with the public is unlawful."

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And there are many similar links, all telling the same story.
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How strange then, that in Finland you can look up a car number plate and discover not only who owns it but also the car's insurers, and also have access to their address, yet its privacy laws, like Germany's are very strict compared to the UK. People convicted of crimes are only ever named by the press in exceptional circumstances. In England you only have to step outside your front door and the press won't hesitate to name and shame you if it thinks you left a restaurant without paying your bill. Of course, in the UK, it is only the plebs that get named and their financial affairs publicised (but that's for another thread).

Which makes me wonder, is the driver of this car some kind of well known person (a two-digit number plate showing at the rear ['MH?']) so that's why the press are being shall we say, discreet. Money talks. Slap on bail conditions and that shuts down gossip for at least six months until the fire report and even then it'll not focus on Car Zero.
 
I love watching a CT get more and more baroque in real time.

Now Vixen is asking us to consider the possibility that criminals cloned the plates of a diesel SUV, slapped them on a hybrid SUV, and used it to start a fire in a car park, all to... shore up public confidence in the Prime Minister's wife's company's hybrid SUV manufacturing business?
 
Vixen said:
How strange then, that in Finland you can look up a car number plate and discover not only who owns it but also the car's insurers, and also have access to their address, yet its privacy laws, like Germany's are very strict compared to the UK. People convicted of crimes are only ever named by the press in exceptional circumstances...
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It happened in the UK. UK data protection laws apply. Procedures in other countries are utterly irrelevant.
 
Vixen said:
How about 'Thermal Runaway Fights Back'?
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Quick sidebar, if you have a minute.

Vixen, I know you get ridden hard by posters here. I feel you. But... there's really nothing here. A car caught fire and went out of control. It has been identified as a diesel. You could speculate that it was reeeeeeally powered by a Flux Capacitor or Dark Matter fusion or whatever, but that's not what happened, so... kind of pointless flogging of ye Olde deceased equestrian this point? No?
 
theprestige said:
I love watching a CT get more and more baroque in real time.

Now Vixen is asking us to consider the possibility that criminals cloned the plates of a diesel SUV, slapped them on a hybrid SUV, and used it to start a fire in a car park, all to... shore up public confidence in the Prime Minister's wife's company's hybrid SUV manufacturing business?
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All in your mind. Imagine you are a senior detective. A public building - an airport car park which is very near the airport lounge - burns to the ground surprisingly rapidly (as compared to similar historical fires). A member of public might shrug and say, it must have been accidental. Car fires happen all the time. Your job is not to shrug. You will have been trained to have a suspicious mind. You'll consider - it being an airport - an act of would-be terrorism (explosives went off too soon?)? a bunch of bored kids playing with matches who thought it would be a laugh? an anti-social arsonist (pyromania is a recognised personality disorder)? You can't just take it for granted it was 'just an accident being a vehicle fault' because the awfully nice driver has assured you so. To be worth your pay grade you would want to get that car in for forensic examination and that would involve getting its VIN. This cannot be done whilst the building is still burning and in time for the one and only press release by the Fire Officer.

There is no conspiracy theory other than those in your own mind.

ETA: The Prime Minister's wife certainly managed to get her hands on Covid money and one of her educational outlets successfully tendered, not to mention getting non-dom taxed so she didn't actually pay tax that her husband then was supposed to collect. All above board but don't claim it is not possible!
 
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Thermal said:
Quick sidebar, if you have a minute.

Vixen, I know you get ridden hard by posters here. I feel you. But... there's really nothing here. A car caught fire and went out of control. It has been identified as a diesel. You could speculate that it was reeeeeeally powered by a Flux Capacitor or Dark Matter fusion or whatever, but that's not what happened, so... kind of pointless flogging of ye Olde deceased equestrian this point? No?
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Citation please.
 
Thermal said:
...of....?

Eta: or are you asking me to cite you for beating the dead horse?
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Confirmation that it is a dead horse in your view, when the investigation is still continuing. It is not even sure if Car Zero has even been recovered yet, or ever will be. The Liverpool ECHO car park at King's Dock, was demolished with some cars still in it. At least those firemen had the chance to see what was happening from the stairwells to have a good idea of the cause.
 
Vixen said:
Confirmation that it is a dead horse in your view, when the investigation is still continuing. It is not even sure if Car Zero has even been recovered yet, or ever will be. The Liverpool ECHO car park at King's Dock, was demolished with some cars still in it. At least those firemen had the chance to see what was happening from the stairwells to have a good idea of the cause.
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Mr Fireman identified the diesel Rover as the point of origin. There are some pics which back this up photographically. Burning Rover and all that.

Yes, the investigation may go on and they discover that a previously unknown terrorist cel called Al-Jagwa actually had a bomb made of lithium batteries that caused it. Let's wait and see? Because without actual facts, we don't seem to be getting anywhere with your thrice removed Google investigation from afar.

I'm happy to give the Fire Investigators the benefit of the doubt that they aren't clandestine agents of alternative fuel coverups for the time being.
 
Vixen said:
The lack of black sooty smoke is another question.
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Here's some diesel burning. Where's the black sooty smoke?

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News update: LBC Radio have been chatting to members of the fire brigade union, who claim the building should have been able to withstand a fire for at least 15 minutes but despite their arriving within eight minutes, they could not contain it.

The Fire Brigades Union described Luton as an "accident waiting to happen", and slammed the government and developers for failing to learn lessons from the 2017 New Year's Eve blaze, after Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service (MFRS) said it could have been stopped if sprinklers had been fitted in the building. They said it would have given crews a "much better" chance of limiting the damage.

Concerns were also raised about the structure of Liverpool car park because it's design should have been able to withstand fire for 15 minutes. MFRS said despite crews attending within eight minutes of the alarm, the flames spread so quickly they were not able to control the blaze. Luton Airport's terminal two car park was the same type of exposed-steelwork design.
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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ministers-accused-failure-act-safety-luton-car-park-fire/
 
Thermal said:
Mr Fireman identified the diesel Rover as the point of origin. There are some pics which back this up photographically. Burning Rover and all that.

Yes, the investigation may go on and they discover that a previously unknown terrorist cel called Al-Jagwa actually had a bomb made of lithium batteries that caused it. Let's wait and see? Because without actual facts, we don't seem to be getting anywhere with your thrice removed Google investigation from afar.

I'm happy to give the Fire Investigators the benefit of the doubt that they aren't clandestine agents of alternative fuel coverups for the time being.
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People have identified the vehicle varyingly as a Range Rover Evoque or even a Tesla. Why is it more important that it is a Range Rover Sport, 2014, when the Fire Brigade and police have not given you this information? Why the need to believe some random person on Twitter with 480 followers.

You can treat it as a conspiracy theory if you like, but I for one shall continue to treat it as current affairs. I do not accept your claim that the case is closed.
 
Vixen said:
News update: LBC Radio have been chatting to members of the fire brigade union, who claim the building should have been able to withstand a fire for at least 15 minutes but despite their arriving within eight minutes, they could not contain it.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ministers-accused-failure-act-safety-luton-car-park-fire/
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And NYC's Twin Towers were designed to be hit by planes and stand. The best engineered designs sometimes fail due to a variety of field factors.
 
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