Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Vixen said:
Er, first question is:

"What is the vehicle's registration number?
Registration number (number plate)"

If the number plate identified is correct, that should also give us the name and address of the owner, right?
So why is no journalist or twitter detective onto them?
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No. I just tried it on my car and the address is not shown.
 
ANYONE can pull up those details from the registration. I just did it myself on my phone.

ETA: Not owners details, the car details I listed earlier.
 
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Vixen said:
...and some twitter user calling herself 'Amy' with 480 followers claims to have looked up the DVLA details.

https://x.com/Amie_The_Runner/status/1712492181062127733?s=20

So this is where catsmate has pulled out the 'researched' information from.


Perhaps he should let the Fire Brigade know so that they can put it in their report.
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Perhaps some anonymous poster named Vixen should let the Fire Brigade know all her well researched information so they can put that in their report.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
ANYONE can pull up those details from the registration. I just did it myself on my phone.
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Name and address too? Weird. Seems like a horrible security breach and, as mentioned, it's not visible on mine.

eta: "While it is possible to get the dvla car owner check by registration number, the process is not easy. The reason is the law; the UK government needs to protect the privacy of individuals. However, you can locate the registered owner of a car if you have a valid reason, such as:
Discovering the driver involved in a hit-and-run case
etc etc"
 
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Vixen said:
some random guy on twitter with 295 followers
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Vixen said:
...and some twitter user calling herself 'Amy' with 480 followers
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and where, exactly, ISF member calling herself 'Vixen', are you getting your 'information' that this was an EV or hybrid, not a diesel car, where the fire started?


You are, of course, ignoring still the fact that the official website of the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service has uncategoricaly stated that the fire started in a diesel car. Your bogus objections remain laughable, yet you have the nerve to accuse others of lying.
 
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P.J. Denyer said:
ANYONE can pull up those details from the registration. I just did it myself on my phone.
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How do you know the vehicle has been identified correctly?

Anyone can insert the random number plate of a nearby Range Rover Sport and claim this is the car involved in the Luton fire.


The only persons claiming to know the vehicle registration number are a couple of random guys on twitter.

What a low bar of proof you need.
 
Vixen said:
Guys and gals, please take a moment to get a grip, The video claiming to be a front view of the burning vehicle originates from some random guy on twitter with 295 followers and claiming to be a green EV enthusiast posted two days after the fire. Now the video may or may not be authentic but note, not one single news outlet has published it, which should tell you everything you need to know. A Romanian woman claimed she had filmed the vehicle before leaving it but do you not think she would claim authorship of the video and flog it around the major news agencies such as Getty Images for copyright and lucrative copyright income? In any case, even if remotely authentic:

  • there is no way you can decipher the number plate, which does not match the back in number of digits.
  • in the UK you can only look up a vehicle if you have the vehicle registration number!
  • nobody has produced an enlargement of the said 'front number plate' proving it is indeed E10 EFL.
  • if you want DVLA to give ownership details, you must write to DVLA and fill in a form.
  • In addition, the vehicle in the video looks disproportionately tall compared to other vehicles nearby.

Conclusion: the claim the vehicle has been identified as a Range Rover Sport 2014 is almost 100% false information.

https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dvla


Catsmate is lying to you when he claims he has authenticated his information.
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:rolleyes:
More pathetic lies and evasion.
Still a diesel car nearly a decade old.
 
GlennB said:
Name and address too? Weird. Seems like a horrible security breach and, as mentioned, it's not visible on mine.

eta: "While it is possible to get the dvla car owner check by registration number, the process is not easy. The reason is the law; the UK government needs to protect the privacy of individuals. However, you can locate the registered owner of a car if you have a valid reason, such as:
Discovering the driver involved in a hit-and-run case
etc etc"
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No, not a 'horrible security breach'. In Finland, and probably Sweden as we are like twins, privacy laws second to none*, anyone can look up a car number and find out the details of the owner, for a nominal fee. So no, it is not because of security reasons.


It is because:




...take a breath...







...the car number 'identified' is almost certainly 100% fake and the so-called front video an artificial intelligence mock-up.



*If someone is murdered, they won't even name that person (unless it is exceptional).
 
P.J. Denyer said:
As normal Vixen is wrong. Google "Check MOT Status" and there's a government website that gives you the manufacturer MOT Status, fuel, engine capacity, year of manufacture , etc for a registration part for free with no other authorisation required.
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Indeed, just one of Vixen's many, many, lies and evasions.

Vixen said:
...and some twitter user calling herself 'Amy' with 480 followers claims to have looked up the DVLA details.

https://x.com/Amie_The_Runner/status/1712492181062127733?s=20

So this is where catsmate has pulled out the 'researched' information from.


Perhaps he should let the Fire Brigade know so that they can put it in their report.
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:D

More lies as usual. I sourced absolutely nothing fromTwiX. But then you have a pathetic and desperate need to deny any facts that contradict your conspiratorial nonsense.
 
Vixen said:
How do you know the vehicle has been identified correctly?

Anyone can insert the random number plate of a nearby Range Rover Sport and claim this is the car involved in the Luton fire.


The only persons claiming to know the vehicle registration number are a couple of random guys on twitter.

What a low bar of proof you need.
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The police and fire brigade don't need to see the number plate, they saw the actual vehicle up close. They both said, without equivocation, that it was a diesel.
 
catsmate said:
Oh there are other loons around who are desperately insisting the fire began with an EV, in spite of reality,
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Which is how the thread started, with Vixen apparently just reporting the fact that there was such a conspiracy theory, but she's since jumped in with both feet.
 
zooterkin said:
and where, exactly, ISF member calling herself 'Vixen', are you getting your 'information' that this was an EV or hybrid, not a diesel car, where the fire started?


You are, of course, ignoring still the fact that the official website of the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service has uncategoricaly stated that the fire started in a diesel car. Your bogus objections remain laughable, yet you have the nerve to accuse others of lying.
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I didn't say t was one or the other. I was pointing out that it hasn't been officially identified to the public. The press release is couched in qualifying disclaimers, if you care to read it carefully and most people don't.


I have an open mind. I have looked at it carefully and given the fire brigade were there within ten minutes (as confirmed) an explanation is needed as to why it could not put out a simple electric/diesel fuel fault as a matter of an ordinary everyday event. Given there are fire hydrants every X metres as per law, and the Fire brigade does have - funnily enough - range rover adapted fire suppressant vehicels designed to go into such low ceilinged places.

The owner's attempt to put out the fire with a handy fire extinguisher did not work. Two extinguishers appear to be nearby the vehicle, presumably empty.

The lack of black sooty smoke is another question.

In the Liverpool Echo fire, the Range Rover involved had been smouldering whilst parked alongside other vehicles for quite some while. When the Fire Brigade arrived in that case, it discovered two rows of about thirty cars were on fire and found to have been spread by a burning fuel line from the faulty Range Rover. This burning fuel had drained into the floors below and the fire fighters were able to stand in the car parks stairwells directing fire fighting materials at it. It was only when the fire spread TWO HOURS later that they had to withdraw from the building and call it uncontrollable.

The Luton Airport one was uncontrollable with the next level up ablaze within ten minutes and a major incident called half an hour after that. The blaze was so hot and intense, people could already hear the car windows smashing and fuel tanks exploding. A car plunged through to the lower level within two hours of the major incident announcement.

In the Liverpool Fire, there was ample time to evacuate all those - mostly horses in horse boxes - from the lower floor.

So, IMV it calls into question the claim this was a common or garden diesel car fire and it is reasonable to want to understand what make and model the car was.
 
zooterkin said:
The police and fire brigade don't need to see the number plate, they saw the actual vehicle up close. They both said, without equivocation, that it was a diesel.
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Haha. The only way the police or fire brigade can identify the vehicle for sure is via its VIN.


You do know that number plate cloning and faked number plates are relatively common in the criminal world.? The anti-ULEZ guys have been encouraging people to do this recently.

So if an entire public use building burns down within three-quarters of an hour and you are the Old Bill do you really take a car number plate at face value without further enquiry? Where is your famous suspicion of a criminal offence and need to verify the correct vehicle number zero?
 
Vixen said:
No, not a 'horrible security breach'. In Finland, and probably Sweden as we are like twins, privacy laws second to none*, anyone can look up a car number and find out the details of the owner, for a nominal fee. So no, it is not because of security reasons.
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You can't in the UK. You have to jump though hoops with DVLA.

"Will a Vehicle Check show the registered keeper name?

No.

It is unlawful in the UK for us to disclose the registered keeper’s details without their permission and it’s the same for everyone else – unless you have a just cause."

link

"If you are looking to find a car owner by registration number (fixed name and address), our service is inadequate. Due to GDPR compliance, sharing car owners’ names and addresses with the public is unlawful."

link

And there are many similar links, all telling the same story.
 
Vixen said:
Haha. The only way the police or fire brigade can identify the vehicle for sure is via its VIN.


You do know that number plate cloning and faked number plates are relatively common in the criminal world.? The anti-ULEZ guys have been encouraging people to do this recently.

So if an entire public use building burns down within three-quarters of an hour and you are the Old Bill do you really take a car number plate at face value without further enquiry? Where is your famous suspicion of a criminal offence and need to verify the correct vehicle number zero?
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So now the VIN plates were faked too?
 
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