Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Jack by the hedge said:
You appear to be trying a different tack of begging the question.

Important to whom?

It seems it was important to the wot-I-reckon folk on social media that the car should have been a hybrid. If they hadn't made being stubbornly wrong such an issue, fact-checkers wouldn't have seen it as important to find out the truth.
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Why were they so quick to tell us it was a diesel car? Scared of rioting in the streets or summat?
 
JayUtah said:
Foster Zygote, and he's substantially correct. If you direct the path of escaping hot gases preferentially in one direction in such a structure, it provides for a greater flow of fresh air from other directions. It's a kind of chimney effect.
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'...a kind of chimney effect...'

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"An astute observation has led to laughter. We are laughing."
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Were you asleep? Sorry for waking you.


Ah. You were indeed asleep. You're replying to a post which says it's an X5, and with your legendary attention to detain clearly you didn't bother to absorb the info provided the first time the video was posted, explaining that BMW X5 was only available with petrol or diesel motors.
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And a BMX fire resembles the Luton Range Rover fire in which way?


Seriously...?
 
Foster Zygote said:
That video shows an example of the intensity of heat energy that is produced by a full-on car fire.

I linked to another video of an Audi A5 Cabriolet that catches fire after an accident. The video starts when the fire is still, at most, no bigger than the fire we see in the Luton video. That car is fully consumed by fire in just three minutes. And considering that it's an accident scene, I think it's pretty safe to assume that it wasn't sitting there for over an hour, and that it wasn't started by "vandals".

There's nothing "battery style" about the fire in the Luton video. It looks no different than the two videos I've shown, both of which occurred in vehicles that were never offered as either hybrid or electric.

Watching you make things up in the hope that we'll stick this asinine conspiracy theory (that you totally aren't advocating) to the refrigerator with a banana magnet is just sad.
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The Audi A5 Cabriolet that catches fire after an accident...do you see this is not a like-for-like scenario? If you are in a crash, there is a chance your car will catch fire. Simply showing a load of videos of burning gasoline/diesel cars shows your lack of understanding.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
When someone repeats information which was literally published on the fire brigade's own website, in what sense do you imagine they 'just made that up'?
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The 'plain English' brigade. You know, the super well-educated English language graduate professional journalists who write for the DAILY STAR.

They have to simplify language for the plebs with an attention span of ten words a sentence and maybe only ever just the first paragraph.
 
Vixen said:
For goodness sake, don't you recognise simplified English when you see it?

The website is a précis of what the uploader thought Hopkinson meant.

It is obvious. Recognise PR when you see it.
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No, it isn't. You're simply making things up as you go along.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
If Vixen can close her eyes and say "Lalalalala not listening" loud enough she can pretend that the fire brigade's only statement is the earliest one.

Or she can pretend that her bizarre belief that only that one person can speak for the fire brigade is rational and not an obvious attempt to "teach the controversy" by ignoring reality.
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The words of the legally-advised fire chief are the party line. He was advised to word his press statement thus.
 
Vixen said:
The 'plain English' brigade. You know, the super well-educated English language graduate professional journalists who write for the DAILY STAR.

They have to simplify language for the plebs with an attention span of ten words a sentence and maybe only ever just the first paragraph.
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But it isn't the Daily Star who wrote it, it's the fire brigade. Are you claiming that they are of the same calibre?
 
Vixen said:
The 'plain English' brigade. You know, the super well-educated English language graduate professional journalists who write for the DAILY STAR.

They have to simplify language for the plebs with an attention span of ten words a sentence and maybe only ever just the first paragraph.
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And yet it still causes you comprehension issues.
 
Vixen said:
The words of the legally-advised fire chief are the party line. He was advised to word his press statement thus.
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"Fire chief" is not a thing. We're not in America.

You know that the fire brigade in question have made other statements since the initial one you're hanging on to for dear life in an effort to make yourself look good, right?

Of course you do. You're just pretending they haven't because it exposes you as being wrong, and we can't have that.
 
Vixen said:
Er, no!
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Yes.

British car parks are designed to be well-ventilated.
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That doesn't eliminate a chimney effect from sloping airways. It is precisely the "ventilation" that leads to this particular fluid flow.

The aim is NOT to inflame fires even higher.
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The chimney effect is not a goal, it's an unfortunate side effect. Nevertheless Foster Zygote is correct, and you don't have the physics understanding to dispute it.
 
Vixen said:
'...a kind of chimney effect...'

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53279762330_5efff2a528_c.jpg[/qimg]Ex5lYBXXMAMCZle by Username Vixen, on Flickr



"An astute observation has led to laughter. We are laughing."
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Pathetic attempt to dismiss reality. By denying that hot gasses rise, and that liquids flow downhill, you are making yourself worthy of laughter. You are losing, have lost, this argument so badly that you are trying to save yourself with empty mockery.

Do you really think that your arguments aren't a source of laughter for pretty much everyone you've interacted with on this forum?
 
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Foster Zygote said:
Pathetic attempt to dismiss reality. By denying that hot gasses rise, and that liquids flow downhill, you are making yourself worthy of laughter. You are losing, have lost, this argument so badly that you are trying to save yourself with empty mockery.

Do you really think that your arguments aren't A source of laughter for pretty much everyone you've interacted with on this forum?
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The reason for the sloping floors is so that any leaking liquid, diesel or gasoline fuel, coolant, brake fluid, etcetera etcetera, drains away instead of pooling.
 
Vixen said:
You'll find all of the quality news outlets, Sky News, BBC News, Independent, etc., all use Mr. Hopkinson's original statement...
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I haven't found any such thing, as I don't really consume media reporting on disasters. I find it to be unreliable.

I can find plenty of news outlets who assure me that Dewey defeated Truman for the 1948 U.S. Presidential election. That was corrected in subsequent reporting.

...which as you know, is qualified.
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You'll find that the fire brigade has superseded any of that with an official statement which is based on subsequent information and is not qualified. That is the authoritative source.
 
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