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Ed General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 3

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Ziggurat said:
Another solution is for everyone to just be nice to each other all the time.

The problem with both solutions is that they don't work at scale for humans.
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We are as a species, getting less violent. A lot of the protest marches we see are those who want an end to violence and start to negotiations. A tipping point was reached in Northern Ireland, where even the men of violence got fed up with the violence.
 
Orphia Nay said:
The Gaza Health Ministry is now saying over 8,000 Palesinians have died. But then, it's HAMAS all the way down in Palestine, right, despite the GHM having names and ID numbers.
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Israeli forces say they killed a Hamas commander, Nasim Abu Ajina, who they say directed the Oct. 7 attack.
Is his name on those GHM lists? Has he been identified to the press by the GHM as being a combatant?
Has GHM revealed to the media which of the casualties are indeed non-civilians? Or, more to the point, when Hamas guys' miserable lives were ended by IDF action, can the GHM make a reference of how many people, who they were surrounded by, died along with them? For instance --- something along the lines of "Nasim Abu Ajina was killed in his home along with 22 of his immediate & extended family, including wife, 8 of their offspring, and 13 others, including unlucky cousins, the in-laws, and his sister"

The reckoning is being implemented.
 
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Nessie said:
We are as a species, getting less violent. A lot of the protest marches we see are those who want an end to violence and start to negotiations. A tipping point was reached in Northern Ireland, where even the men of violence got fed up with the violence.
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Yes most do... the problem is the AUTHORITY invested in the continuation of Imperialism and selling weapons and pandering to the religious morons will arrest them and gag them.

 
Ziggurat said:
Another solution is for everyone to just be nice to each other all the time.

The problem with both solutions is that they don't work at scale for humans.
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How about a new peaceful movement in Gaza that goes around putting up signs that proclaim "Be Kind"

I would like to see that.
Maybe, one day.
 
Ziggurat said:
How would you know if a name and ID number on that list was fake?
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Ah, there's nothing like downgrading an atrocity because the numbers might not be accurate.

What number of dead children is acceptable?

Leumas said:
IFTFY...

The Nazis used to do the same... they called it Sippenhaft...
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That's why I originally chose the swastika avatar - the irony in Israel behaving like Nazis would be hilarious if they weren't actually committing genocide.
 
The Atheist said:
Ah, there's nothing like downgrading an atrocity because the numbers might not be accurate.

What number of dead children is acceptable?
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According to Netanyahu using the Bible as his warrant... all of them... except perhaps the virgin little girls they might keep for sex-slaves.

But then again they might do them all in because the bible prohibits bestiality and according to others in Netanyahu's government they are savages and inhuman animals.


The Atheist said:
That's why I originally chose the swastika avatar - the irony in Israel behaving like Nazis would be hilarious if they weren't actually committing genocide.
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It is a ubiquitous and abjectly wretched human phenomenon... the abused often grow up to be abusers.
 
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trustbutverify said:
What does Hamas-n-Friends call collective punishment when they do it? Are they Nazis too?
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They call it Revenge (انتقام) just like in Hebrew (נקמה) the words sound the same and it is the word used by YHWH to command Moses to perform revenge genocide on the Midianites.

An when anyone does collective revenge genocide they are as disgusting and criminal as the Nazis.... even when YHWH commands it.

And do not forget that long before the Nazis, Sippenhaft was commanded by YHWH as Netanyahu cited in his press conference in order to give himself a warrant for his genocide.

In his speech he mentioned the genocide done to the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:3). And called Joshua a hero for his genocide too (Joshua 6:21).


But Netanyahu forgot to also cite Deuteronomy 20:16-18 and Psalms 68:23-24 and Psalms 137:9
 
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trustbutverify said:
I read the entire thing (twice now). It's a yes or no question: Is Hamas a Nazi organization?
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Islamist organisations cannot be Nazis, because Islam does not have the race based ideology of Nazis; they regard all those who embrace Islam as family.

That you even ask the question suggests you know little about Islam and probably little about Nazism which was not religious. The usual question would be is Hamas fascist because avoids the extreme biological racism of Nazism.

At its core, the Nazi world view was racist and biological, positing that the so-called “Aryan” race – primarily the North Europeans – was the superior race of human beings. Their superiority granted the Aryans the right and obligation to rule over other races and peoples, for the benefit of humankind.
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https://www.yadvashem.org/education/educational-videos/video-toolbox/hevt-nazi-ideology.html
 
trustbutverify said:
I read the entire thing (twice now).
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You missed this part

Leumas said:
They call it Revenge (انتقام) just like in Hebrew (נקמה) the words sound the same and it is the word used by YHWH to command Moses to perform revenge genocide on the Midianites.

And when anyone does collective revenge genocide they are as disgusting and criminal as the Nazis.... even when YHWH commands it.
And do not forget that long before the Nazis, Sippenhaft was commanded by YHWH as Netanyahu cited in his press conference in order to give himself a warrant for his genocide.

In his speech he mentioned the genocide done to the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:3). And called Joshua a hero for his genocide too (Joshua 6:21).


But Netanyahu forgot to also cite Deuteronomy 20:16-18 and Psalms 68:23-24 and Psalms 137:9
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trustbutverify said:
It's a yes or no question: Is Hamas a Nazi organization?
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Ok... I will make it simple...


Yes... the grotesque demented Muslim morons of Palestine are just as much of Nazis as the zealot zionists in Israel who did this... and who are doing this


 
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Planigale said:
... Nazism which was not religious....
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Nazis were Christians most of them... including Hitler... according to his speeches and writings.

Gott Mit Uns means God With Us.


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The Atheist said:
Ah, there's nothing like downgrading an atrocity because the numbers might not be accurate.

What number of dead children is acceptable?
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Well, webfusion said 250,000 dead Gazans would be fine and dandy, and nobody on the Israel side disagreed.

webfusion said:
Israel is not retaliating, Israel is counter-attacking. There's a difference.

I think we should all stop tallying, because it plays into the hands of Hamas, and bolsters those who say the Israelis are killing too many civilians. From my view, when the body count in Gaza reaches the 250,000 mark, I'll listen to any and all 'humanitarian' concerns. Until then, Hamas has an option to choose which direction they want to go in. Surrender needs to be introduced into the discussion, and they need to be aware that Israel is going to continue ignoring the demands this time of ceasefire. Or hudna. If you know anything about Benny Gantz, you'll realize he is in this to win this.

Protests in the streets of your cities, and on campuses, are YOUR problem to deal with.
You don't like the closure of the Brooklyn Bridge? Prohibit those kinds of demonstrations.
You aren't happy with the attacks on Jews at your universities? With Jewish businesses painted with swastikas? With aircraft on tarmacs being swarmed by people hunting for Jewish/Israeli passengers?
You don't appreciate that Grand Central Station is overwhelmed by mobs?
Those are YOUR internal matters to be worried about. (We sympathize with everyone's concerns, but that sympathy and three-fifty will get ya a cup of coffee at Dunkin')

There's a point when we Jews (in Israel and elsewhere) simply say "Public Opinion no longer matters..."
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Webfusion also seems to think I'm American, and that jingoistic nationalism works on me, not realising the irony.
 
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