He's a "obviously deranged psycho" so his violence "doesn't count" for reasons we're still waiting on an answer for.
Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)
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He's a "obviously deranged psycho" so his violence "doesn't count" for reasons we're still waiting on an answer for.
shemp
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Donald Trump Jr. Blames FBI for Maine Shootings
Nice. Go snort another pile of coke, you ******* *******!
Nice. Go snort another pile of coke, you ******* *******!
Andy_Ross
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Like everyone he was a good guy with a gun until he started murdering people.
True - although it isn't clear if he got his guns before or after his violent tendencies and mental illness were documented.
I keep seeing people claiming that his treatment for mental illness meant that he was not allowed to own guns. That's false - at most he might have been banned from buying new guns.
Legislation that would prohibit any gun possession from mentally ill people have been repeatedly blocked by the same politicians who are now blaming the FBI/ATF for not enforcing laws that don't exist.
Nessie
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Certainly in the UK and I suspect everywhere else, if someone has mental health/violence issues, any gun they have is seized and their licence is revoked/suspended, so they cannot go out and just by another. Because there is good gun control, it is very hard for them to find a gun from another source.
The USA has a patchwork of various licences and no gun control. Until there is one system that covers the entire of the USA, which means violent men have their guns seized from them and they cannot easily get replacements, the country is doomed to continued massacres.
lobosrul5
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There are 165 times more people in the USA than in Gaza. I've lived for 43 years in the USA, most of it in cities with above average homicide rates and I've never even been menaced with a firearm. Yes, we have a severe problem... its still easily 100 time safer than being in Gaza right now. And probably more like 1000 times.
ETA: and you are counting suicides, there will likely be about 20,000 homicides, and accidental gun deaths in the USA this year. If your 10,000 figure is correct in Gaza that would correlate to 1.65 million in the USA. Or, 82 times our actual gun homicide rate.
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lobosrul5
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We have nothing left. Nothing is going to change, not in the next 20 years anyways. Even if through some miracle sensible laws were passed, the SCOTUS would nullify them.
Skeptical Greg
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I can't figure out how to search the discussion to see if this has been discussed, so I apologize if I'm re-plowing old dirt.. But..
If Maine is such a gun-happy state, I'm surprised there were no members of a well regulated militia in the bowling alley, or Schemengees Bar and Grille,..
If Maine is such a gun-happy state, I'm surprised there were no members of a well regulated militia in the bowling alley, or Schemengees Bar and Grille,..
Thermal
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Rules prohibiting weapons in those establishments, maybe?
Skeptical Greg
Agave Wine Connoisseur
Oh, if everyone would just follow the rules..
newyorkguy
Penultimate Amazing
It's hard to believe at times.
About nine or ten years ago we had a long thread about a blind man in Florida who shot and killed a friend of his in the wee hours after a night of drinking together. He was subsequently arrested but released after he was granted Stand Your Ground immunity. The blind man testified in court that his pal had started making 'threats' and he'd little choice but to "defend myself." Putting aside the logistics involved -- target acquisition by someone who can't see -- the court held that the shooter was 'within his rights,' so long as he testified he felt genuinely threatened. If the state wanted to charge him, then it was up to the state to prove he wasn't feeling threatened.
After being granted immunity, the blind man was soon back in court. Why? Following the shooting police had seized his firearm and were refusing to return it. Again, the court ruled in favor of the gun owner. He did indeed have a legal right to own a firearm. The judge found nothing in Florida law that restricted this right to only people who can see. Being unable to see was no reason to take away someone's second amendment rights. The judge ordered the local police to return the weapon.
When this was being discussed the ISF pro-gun crew was thrilled! I recall one of them arguing:
Yeah because mass murders operate like children who want to run away from home but can't aren't allowed to cross the street.
"Oh noes. A sign that has a picture of a gun in a circle with with line through it. My one weakness!"
A sign that says "Please don't commit mass murders here, thank you" would literally be more effective because it would be so absurdist.
"Oh noes. A sign that has a picture of a gun in a circle with with line through it. My one weakness!"
A sign that says "Please don't commit mass murders here, thank you" would literally be more effective because it would be so absurdist.
Thermal
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Some info on Card, according to ABC News:
He's a US Army reservist, rank of Sargent, who was acting so erratically on his last reserve appearance that the Army called the cops on him. Let that sink in for a moment.
He left a suicide note, and this may have started with him looking for his ex who he expected to be at the shooting locations.
Police found his abandoned car a few miles south of the shooting site.
{Eta: they found a gun in it too, which they are testing to determine if it was used in the shootings, so I guess it was a rifle that matched the pics closely enough to warrant investigation?}
https://abcnews.go.com/US/maine-mass-shooting-suspect/story?id=104342351
He's a US Army reservist, rank of Sargent, who was acting so erratically on his last reserve appearance that the Army called the cops on him. Let that sink in for a moment.
He left a suicide note, and this may have started with him looking for his ex who he expected to be at the shooting locations.
Police found his abandoned car a few miles south of the shooting site.
{Eta: they found a gun in it too, which they are testing to determine if it was used in the shootings, so I guess it was a rifle that matched the pics closely enough to warrant investigation?}
https://abcnews.go.com/US/maine-mass-shooting-suspect/story?id=104342351
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Reformed Offlian
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That would make him a mad guy with a gun. Proper terminology is important after all, especially when dealing with spree mass serial shootings (which are not to be confused with serial mass spree shootings).
Reformed Offlian
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It's hard to believe at times.
About nine or ten years ago we had a long thread about a blind man in Florida who shot and killed a friend of his in the wee hours after a night of drinking together. He was subsequently arrested but released after he was granted Stand Your Ground immunity. The blind man testified in court that his pal had started making 'threats' and he'd little choice but to "defend myself." Putting aside the logistics involved -- target acquisition by someone who can't see -- the court held that the shooter was 'within his rights,' so long as he testified he felt genuinely threatened. If the state wanted to charge him, then it was up to the state to prove he wasn't feeling threatened.
After being granted immunity, the blind man was soon back in court. Why? Following the shooting police had seized his firearm and were refusing to return it. Again, the court ruled in favor of the gun owner. He did indeed have a legal right to own a firearm. The judge found nothing in Florida law that restricted this right to only people who can see. Being unable to see was no reason to take away someone's second amendment rights. The judge ordered the local police to return the weapon.
When this was being discussed the ISF pro-gun crew was thrilled! I recall one of them arguing:
An argumentum ad bwahculum.
As I said you (the USA as a whole) believe the many, many deaths are a price worth paying because of a sentence or two wrote down over 200 years ago. That's to the rest of the world, insane.
Thermal
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Constitutional reverence has nothing to do with it. It's about seeing yourself as a total bad ass.
lobosrul5
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But its the FBI's fault for not enforcing non-existent federal red flag laws! /s