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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

JoeMorgue said:
You thinking Canada?
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Not necessarily. Still in the States, planning to continue outside of the dragnet. IIRC, first rule of being a bad guy is to move fast.


ETA: although the first rule of human nature is to bunker down where you feel safe, which is what many instinctively do
 
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Thermal said:
What are the odds that he is still in Maine?
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There's a BOLO here in Massachusetts for a vehicle "of interest" with Maine license plates, implying (without claiming) the shooter might be driving it.

When I heard he was still at large this morning my first thought was he's gone off into the woods. He's picked a bad time of year to go that route, even if he has expert survival skills. But there are a lot of remote cabins and a lot of wilderness. Assuming he's crazy but not stupid, he's still in Maine because he won't stay at large for long on the highways.
 
Myriad said:
There's a BOLO here in Massachusetts for a vehicle "of interest" with Maine license plates, implying (without claiming) the shooter might be driving it.

When I heard he was still at large this morning my first thought was he's gone off into the woods. He's picked a bad time of year to go that route, even if he has expert survival skills. But there are a lot of remote cabins and a lot of wilderness. Assuming he's crazy but not stupid, he's still in Maine because he won't stay at large for long on the highways.
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If the shootings were first reported around 7PM last night, I'd be thinking along the lines of how much asphalt he could have laid between the time of the last shooting and now. Which could be well into the southern states.
 
Thermal said:
Not necessarily. Still in the States, planning to continue outside of the dragnet. IIRC, first rule of being a bad guy is to move fast.


ETA: although the first rule of human nature is to bunker down where you feel safe, which is what many instinctively do
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I mean I'm stilling putting odds (not certainty, odds) that he's already dead by his own hand somewhere or just deciding how long he wants to keep playing before performing suicide by cop.
 
Thermal said:
If the shootings were first reported around 7PM last night, I'd be thinking along the lines of how much asphalt he could have laid between the time of the last shooting and now. Which could be well into the southern states.
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True, especially if he's in a different vehicle on non-Maine plates.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I mean I'm stilling putting odds (not certainty, odds) that he's already dead by his own hand somewhere or just deciding how long he wants to keep playing before performing suicide by cop.
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Certainly that's the best case scenario, and if so I hope they find him soon. Don't know that it's particularly likely, however.
 
Is there some attempt to classify mass shooting based on knowing the victims and motive ? Because this spree shooting is lot different to a more common gang fights and family feuds, yet they all end up in the same statistic.
 
Bogative said:
Is there any evidence that the shooter is a white supremacist terrorist?
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I don't know how reliable this tweet/thread is:
The Maine mass shooter, Robert Card, had a Twitter account that has since been scrubbed. But an archive reveals he liked a lot of posts from far right media figures and politicians, including content published by Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson.
steven monacelli is posting (Twitter/X, Oct 26, 2023)
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Well, nobody in New England is treating this as just another routine happens-all-the-time shooting.

I never found the permissive gun laws in Maine particularly objectionable. The state has huge boreal forest wildernesses, a sustainable hunting culture, and to be frank, plenty of places where people live half an hour or more (sometimes much more) from the nearest cop. I don't live there, but if I wanted to, I would expect to participate at least passively in that culture, not expect everyone to change to make me feel more comfortable. Maine is one of only two states in the US with a homicide rate (till yesterday, at least) lower than Massachusetts', where we have far more restrictive gun laws. I'm not inclined to tell Maine, "told ya you were doing it wrong all this time!"

The issue in this case is guns+mental illness (not street crime, drugs, racism, politics, training, or the specific features of the gun). The mental illness was known about and feared by locals who knew the shooter. That should have resulted in the man no longer possessing any firearms (nor being in or employed by the military) but there's no system for making that happen reliably. Nor even much foundation for establishing such a system. You can't revoke a permit that was never required in the first place.

We'll see what changes, if any, the people of Maine demand in the aftermath. I'm not seeing how anyone else's opinion is relevant.
 
Robert Card's social-media interests:
The Maine shooter was (as always) known to law enforcement, previously committed to a mental institution and prohibited from owning firearms. If only the FBI would stop spying on Catholics, concerned parents at PTA meetings, and Maga patriots maybe they’d actually stop real terrorists for a change rather than trying to create them.
Donald Trump Jr. (Twitter/X, Oct 26, 2023)
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The Maine shooter also followed you and Dinesh D’Souza on this platform @DonaldJTrumpJr which is exactly why the FBI needs to spy on MAGA patriots.
It’s the one instance I support the Patriot Act.
Quadcarl (Twitter/X, Oct 26, 2023)
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Robert Card ... like a number of political posts on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Heavy reviewed the page shortly before it was suspended by X. It shows that Card followed and/or liked posts by X's CEO, Elon Musk, and Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban as well as a professor who studies terrorism and a number of conservative politicians and pundits, including Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson. He also liked and shared posts by CNBC, as well as post on finance.
Robert Carnd's X (Twitter) Account Shows 'Likes' on Politics (Heavy, Oct 26, 2023)
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Search Continues For Whichever Antifa Biden Lib Forced Maine Shooter To Pretend To Be A Right-Winger (wonkette.com, Oct 26, 2023)
 
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Myriad said:
The issue in this case is guns+mental illness (not street crime, drugs, racism, politics, training, or the specific features of the gun).
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Anti-LGBTQism should probably be added to the list:

Robert Card, the person of interest in the Lewiston mass shooting, lived in what local resident Liam Kent described as "basically a compound" in the neighboring town of Bowdoin, Maine."The family and Robert, they're all gun fanatics," Kent said. "For all intents and purposes, they are very much associated with right-wing militias. It's known in the town to stay away from them and not approach them."
People knew to 'stay away' from Robert Card, Maine resident says (NBC News, Oct 26, 2023)
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Newsweek reports that screenshots of the accounts indicate Card was a fan of several rightwing figures, and had “liked” posts by Donald Trump Jr., Dinesh D’Souza, and Tucker Carlson, as well as tweets by former House speaker candidates Jim Jordan and Kevin McCarthy.

Update: The account also had quite a few “likes” of posts by Elon Musk, a fact that prompted trans activist Alejandra Caraballo to speculate may have been one reason the account was removed immediately. By contrast, the Xitter account belonging to the creep who posted “Christian” and anti-gay stuff in the months leading up to his murder of Lauri Carleton — for having a Pride flag outside her business — remained up for days after police identified the killer.

In a detail that seems remarkably on the nose, Card allegedly liked a Don Jr. tweet from March that read
"Given the incredible rise of trans/non-binary mass shooters in the last few years… by far the largest group committing as a percentage of population… maybe, rather than talking about guns we should be talking about lunatics pushing their gender affirming bullsh*t on our kids?"
Search Continues For Whichever Antifa Biden Lib Forced Maine Shooter To Pretend To Be A Right-Winger (Wonkette, Oct 26, 2023)
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Darat said:
Sorry - I know it is gallows humour and I'm aware of the significant issues and the devastation such an attack has on all involved. It's really a symptom of despair. We all know nothing will be done to stop this type of event; it is as far as the USA as a whole is concerned the price it is willing to pay for a bloody sentence on a piece of parchment from over 200 years ago.
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The US not scrapping the COnsitution anytime soon.
 
Darat said:
Hang on a moment - going to try my impression out

Lolz! It's only being reported because the shooter isn't a protected LGTBQBLM class, if it had been a LGTBQBLMer we wouldn't know it had happened!
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You're close!
Anytime the perpetrator is a white male who is splashed on the home page of all the usual state-controlled media outlets, I know for a fact it is an MK Ultra false flag government operation to destroy the Second Amendment.
We're not giving up our ability to protect our families from your tyranny, *************.
Wyatt (Twitter/X, Oct 26, 2023)
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Hercules56 said:
Not a mass-shooting if less than 4 are dead, according to the Department of Justice.
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https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2021-052422.pdf
The federal definition of “mass killing” is defined as “three or more killings in a single incident.” Derived from Investigative
Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, 28 USC § 530C(b)(1)(M)(i)
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https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/303499.pdf
Congress defines mass shootings as killings of three or more people, not including the
shooter.
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I could not find an "official" definition of a mass shooting (persons shot but not killed) as opposed to a mass killing.

Ranb
 
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