Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

[Skeptical Greg]

The concern for his safety was from the National Guard regarding his mental issues last summer.

Hopefully, no one is very concerned anymore..

 

[Sherkeu]

Oh, they have to say that, but I betting if they idenfiy him and have clean shot, he is toast.

And it would end just like the San Ysidro McDonalds guy, with a sniper shot.

Actually, a similar story to this one. 41yo white male, paranoid, mental health issues, gun nut, lost job, introverted, cultish family upbringing- and one day went out and killed 22 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald's_massacre

 

[arthwollipot]

With Maine gunman on the run, Vice-President Kamala Harris points to Australia's gun laws

Australia's gun laws prove the US doesn't have to live with its senseless mass shootings, America's vice-president says.

Kamala Harris made the comments while standing alongside Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at a function in Washington, as police in Maine searched for a gunman who killed 18 people on Wednesday (local time).

"Once again, routine gatherings, this time at a bowling alley and a restaurant, have been turned into scenes of horrific carnage," Ms Harris said.

"Gun violence has terrorised and traumatised so many of our communities in this country.

"And let us be clear, it does not have to be this way — as our friends in Australia have demonstrated."

 

[arthwollipot]

Oh, and don't make this about mental illness. Other countries have issues with mental illness treatment and we don't have the mass shootings that America has.

Or as someone on social media put it - if guns aren't the problem, and people are the problem, why the heck would you let the problem have guns?

 

[Norman Alexander]

That was over-exaggeration for effect... I hope. Or you have a very warped view of the USA.

Let's say that there are 10,000 killed in Gaza by the time that is all over (by all the deities, let that not happen). There will be over 60,000 gun deaths in the USA this year, and those mostly in concentrated hot-spots. Fairly close comparison, don't you think?

Do you actually realise how bad the US gun problem actually is? I guess people outside a burning house get a better view than those on the inside.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Oh, and don't make this about mental illness. Other countries have issues with mental illness treatment and we don't have the mass shootings that America has.

Or as someone on social media put it - if guns aren't the problem, and people are the problem, why the heck would you let the problem have guns?

Try to think from an American perspective: suppose we did completely outlaw guns, what would happen? Our untreated mentally ill would use knives on their rampages, which would result in injured victims but fewer fatalities; those victims would then face crushing medical debt and go bankrupt. So really it's kinder to have lots of guns available.

 

[arthwollipot]

And for the record, gallows humour is an understandable response to a problem like this.

 

[Darat]

I'm so proud that my country has "Eskimos have 200 words for snow" but for murder death kills.

"No this is a spree mass killing not a serial killing because it entered the Earth's atmosphere over a specific region of France."

Nothing is more important than ensuring we use the correct, technically accurate phrase, it's obviously way more important than facing and doing anything about the avoidable multiple deaths and injuries. I hope someone will be monitoring the relatives and friends of the murdered to ensure they can be corrected if they call it a mass-shooting or a multiple spree shooting or... we need to keep our priorities straight!

 

[JoeMorgue]

*Record Scratch*

Wait hold up.

CNN: "Card, 40, is facing an arrest warrant for eight counts of murder and should be considered armed and dangerous, police said."

Eight? Why eight.

 

[Darat]

*Record Scratch*

Wait hold up.

CNN: "Card, 40, is facing an arrest warrant for eight counts of murder and should be considered armed and dangerous, police said."

Eight? Why eight.

Someone said earlier that it will be that they had only identified 8 when they made that call. That doesn't make sense to me as I didn't think you needed the identity of a murdered person to arrest someone for that murder. Perhaps several were only declared dead once they got to hospital?

 

[arthwollipot]

Seen on social media:

MAGA Logic:
-Abortion: Ban it
-Marijuana: Ban it
-Drag shows: Ban it
-Immigration: Ban it
-Public Schools: Ban it
-Dialogue on racism: Ban it
-Books by Black or LGBTQ authors: Ban it
-Guns: BANS DON’T WORK YOU SNOWFLAKES
#Lewiston

https://www.threads.net/@qasimrashid/post/Cy3xqL2ujf9

 

[Myriad]

Interesting development..

Coast Guard deploys ship, plane to search for Maine shooting suspect's boat

Has this been discussed?

He likely is, or was for a while, waterborne. This gives him additional access to wilderness areas, but he'd have to sink the boat and swim ashore for it not to be a signpost for finding him. It also gives him options if he wants to fatally disappear and never be found.

 

[dudalb]

He likely is, or was for a while, waterborne. This gives him additional access to wilderness areas, but he'd have to sink the boat and swim ashore for it not to be a signpost for finding him. It also gives him options if he wants to fatally disappear and never be found.

He does own a boat, but it has been seized.
There was some activity at the guy's home this evening, but apparently it led to nothing but a very realistic exercise for the FBI HRT teams. Guy is still at large.

 

[Myriad]

He does own a boat, but it has been seized.
There was some activity at the guy's home this evening, but apparently it led to nothing but a very realistic exercise for the FBI HRT teams. Guy is still at large.

Okay, thanks for that update. The earlier item I saw said that he owned a boat and that the location of the boat was unknown. Along with the widely reported fact that his car was found at a boat launch ramp. I thought that meant he had taken the boat somewhere, but it's completely plausible that the boat was at his home (or stored elsewhere) and the cops just hadn't found it there yet.

 

[dann]

Try to think from an American perspective: suppose we did completely outlaw guns, what would happen? Our untreated mentally ill would use knives on their rampages, which would result in injured victims but fewer fatalities; those victims would then face crushing medical debt and go bankrupt. So really it's kinder to have lots of guns available.

That is actually what happens in fairly sane countries, except that the crazies in rare cases manage to kill their victims:

Det var med et klart ønske om at slå sin behandler, Mariann Stenberg, ihjel, da en 41-årig mand lørdag gik til angreb på hende med en kniv på Retspsykiatrisk Ambulatorium på Brøndbyøstervej i Brøndby fredag ved middagstid.
Drabssigtet ønskede psykiater skulle slås ihjel (B.T., July 22, 2023)

When a 41-year-old man attacked his therapist Mariann Stenberg with a knife this Saturday at noon at the Institute of Forensic Psychiatry, Brøndbyøstervej in Brøndby, he clearly wanted to kill her.
Man accused of homicide intended to kill psychiatrist

There was a shooting at a shopping mall in Copenhagen last year (Wikipedia). An insane person had managed to get hold of a "Scandinavian Target Rifle" by being a member of a shooting club. The gun was legal, but his possession of it was not. Three people were killed.
Right-wing loonies in the USA loved the story!

There was just a mass shooting in Denmark, a country with some of the strictest gun laws in Europe.
It’s time to admit that gun laws DO NOT stop mass shootings!
Lauren Boebert (Twitter/X, July 3, 2022)

First one in Denmark this year. You had over 300. You must be joking
Ståle (Twitter/X, July 4, 2022)

I think it was actually the first and so far only mass shooting in Denmark in this millennium. The last one before that was in 1994 when two people were killed by a gunman at a university (Wikipedia).

 

[Lothian]

Can I check? Card was a volunteer reservist, does that make him a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun?

 

[Nessie]

Security cam in bowling alley caught Robert Card entering. Police released it for ID purposes. Very scary.

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Card has a history of domestic abuse, including arrests. One ex-wife apparently felt threatened enough to get an order of protection against him.

Only in the USA can someone like that easily get a gun. Everywhere else in the western world has a licensing system and gun control that makes it very difficult for men with a history of violence to get a gun.

 

[Susheel]

Can I check? Card was a volunteer reservist, does that make him a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun?

I think this classification needs to cease. A guy with a gun is a guy with a gun. More often than not he/she thinks that any problem can be solved with it.

 

[jeremyp]

Lewiston is the 634th mass shooting in the USA, this year, so far. A BBC reporter said that Lewiston is now on the list of places in the US synonymous with a mass shooting. I wonder if there is anywhere left in the USA that has not had a mass shooting?

That was just bad writing on the part of the reporter. You might as well say that a US city is synonymous with traffic jams because there was one in it this morning.

 

[jeremyp]

The US not scrapping the COnsitution anytime soon.

Pretty sure the OP was only referring to the Second Amendment.