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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

I'm so proud that my country has "Eskimos have 200 words for snow" but for murder death kills.

"No this is a spree mass killing not a serial killing because it entered the Earth's atmosphere over a specific region of France."
 
Myriad said:
Well, nobody in New England is treating this as just another routine happens-all-the-time shooting.

I never found the permissive gun laws in Maine particularly objectionable. The state has huge boreal forest wildernesses, a sustainable hunting culture, and to be frank, plenty of places where people live half an hour or more (sometimes much more) from the nearest cop. I don't live there, but if I wanted to, I would expect to participate at least passively in that culture, not expect everyone to change to make me feel more comfortable. Maine is one of only two states in the US with a homicide rate (till yesterday, at least) lower than Massachusetts', where we have far more restrictive gun laws. I'm not inclined to tell Maine, "told ya you were doing it wrong all this time!"

The issue in this case is guns+mental illness (not street crime, drugs, racism, politics, training, or the specific features of the gun). The mental illness was known about and feared by locals who knew the shooter. That should have resulted in the man no longer possessing any firearms (nor being in or employed by the military) but there's no system for making that happen reliably. Nor even much foundation for establishing such a system. You can't revoke a permit that was never required in the first place.

We'll see what changes, if any, the people of Maine demand in the aftermath. I'm not seeing how anyone else's opinion is relevant.
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O,there will be attempts to read deep political meanings into the shooter motives, but all I have read that is BS. Guy was a classic pure nut job.
 
This guy will be hard to track down,he is in the wilderness now. Miane is a different then most Eastern state in it has really heavy duty wilderness areas. More like a Western state then a typical Eastern state.
 
dudalb said:
This guy will be hard to track down,he is in the wilderness now. Miane is a different then most Eastern state in it has really heavy duty wilderness areas. More like a Western state then a typical Eastern state.
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He wont survive the winter.

ETA: reminds me a story my cousin told me. He knew some friends from NYC that knocked on his door one day. Apparently they decided they'd just live out in the NM wilderness for a year. Without realizing how cold it is, and how little there is to eat.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I'm so proud that my country has "Eskimos have 200 words for snow" but for murder death kills.

"No this is a spree mass killing not a serial killing because it entered the Earth's atmosphere over a specific region of France."
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Thing is they are all stupid, as they group together very different acts.
 
lobosrul5 said:
He wont survive the winter.

ETA: reminds me a story my cousin told me. He knew some friends from NYC that knocked on his door one day. Apparently they decided they'd just live out in the NM wilderness for a year. Without realizing how cold it is, and how little there is to eat.
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*Cough Cristopher McCandless Cough*
 
lobosrul5 said:
He wont survive the winter.

ETA: reminds me a story my cousin told me. He knew some friends from NYC that knocked on his door one day. Apparently they decided they'd just live out in the NM wilderness for a year. Without realizing how cold it is, and how little there is to eat.
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Old joke that the reason in Canada the RCMP always got it;s man is they just waited until the winter forced him to surrender.
 
dudalb said:
Please disprove my statement that the guy looks like a pure nut, who acted withour any overt political movtives.
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Only if you promise your response will have the same spelling, grammar, and formatting.
 
dudalb said:
Please disprove my statement that the guy looks like a pure nut, who acted withour any overt political movtives.
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You (and Don Jr.) should prove your idea that the nut looks pure. I'm not the one who made the entirely undocumented claim. We know about his political sympathies. They have been documented.
 
Bogative said:
10 or more victims, dead or wounded. And you are correct, there have only been 18, I miscounted. The race of a lot of the shootings are unknown because snitches get stitches and police don't always release suspect descriptions… for reasons.

Here are the dates of the shootings, feel free to look them up at gun violence archives.

January 5
January 7
January 21
January 22
January 30
February 19
March 25
April 15
April 23
May 6 x2
May 21
June 18 x2
June 23
July 1
July 30
October 25
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You are quoting these like they are some sort of positive result. Have you stopped to consider it really isn't? It's probably safer to be in Gaza this year than in the USA, at the rate Americans shoot themselves.

The reason most of these killings you list don't get publicity is they are so dirt-common and frequent now. It's only when the body-count for an incident goes over about half a dozen that it gets any publicity, because that is less common and thus news-worthy. Americans are so used to these mass-killings that only the heavy-hitters get news time. Another way of looking at it is that if the media reported on every single mass-killing, they would have no time for anything else.

And whaddayaknow - the race of these mass killers is almost invariably white, and they are usually far-right gun-nuts. This guy, for example, is just a bearded lunatic version of the new House Speaker. Both have histories of fascist lunacy, and just love them an AR-15.

But do go on - tell us all about the black/white stuff that is the real problem.
 
Norman Alexander said:
You are quoting these like they are some sort of positive result. Have you stopped to consider it really isn't? It's probably safer to be in Gaza this year than in the USA, at the rate Americans shoot themselves.

The reason most of these killings you list don't get publicity is they are so dirt-common and frequent now. It's only when the body-count for an incident goes over about half a dozen that it gets any publicity, because that is less common and thus news-worthy. Americans are so used to these mass-killings that only the heavy-hitters get news time. Another way of looking at it is that if the media reported on every single mass-killing, they would have no time for anything else.

And whaddayaknow - the race of these mass killers is almost invariably white, and they are usually far-right gun-nuts. This guy, for example, is just a bearded lunatic version of the new House Speaker. Both have histories of fascist lunacy, and just love them an AR-15.

But do go on - tell us all about the black/white stuff that is the real problem.
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That was over-exaggeration for effect... I hope. Or you have a very warped view of the USA.
 
William Parcher said:
CNN: 18 dead, 13 injured
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All too often we don't hear about the injured. It could be anywhere from being grazed by a bullet to something that screws up their bodies for the rest of their lives, costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical care and lost income.

From Study examines nonfatal mass shooting injuries, calls for national registry [journalistsresource.org]:
Langdorf described the case of one patient who was treated at his hospital after getting injured during the 2017 the Route 91 Harvest music festival mass shooting in Las Vegas. “We were able to follow their medical records for two and a half years. [The person] had five surgeries. They ran up [$450,000] in bills. … Two and a half years later, they were not back to work, they were still on disability,” he says.
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  • 64% of the patients had either no insurance or public insurance (Medicare or Medicaid), a rate that’s similar for all firearm injuries, the authors note.
  • The average hospital cost per patient was $31,885.
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Interesting development..

Coast Guard deploys ship, plane to search for Maine shooting suspect's boat

Has this been discussed?

Card is enlisted in the U.S. Army Reserve, where he has served as a petroleum supply specialist since 2002, and has an active military ID, which gives him access to any military base, according to the law enforcement bulletin.
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A valid ID even after:

Card recently reported experiencing mental health issues, including hearing voices, and threatened to shoot up a military base in Saco, Maine, according to the law enforcement bulletin. Over the summer, he was committed to a mental health facility for two weeks, the bulletin said. Leaders of the U.S. Army Reserve's 3rd battalion told garrison staff that Card was "behaving erratically" in mid-July, according to a statement from a spokesperson for the New York Army National Guard.

"Out of concern for his safety, the unit requested that law enforcement be contacted," the spokesperson said in the statement. "New York State Police responded and transported Card to Keller Army Community Hospital at the United States Military Academy for medical evaluation."
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Concern for " His " safety?
 
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