Luton Airport Car Park Fire

[jeremyp]

Police have arrested a man in connection with the fire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67193165

But don't get your knickers in a twist:

It is believed the man was arrested as a precaution and the investigation so far suggests the fire started accidentally due to a vehicle fault.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You ohm me a new keyboard.

Watt?

 

[Mojo]

Police have arrested a man in connection with the fire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67193165

But don't get your knickers in a twist:

How much mileage do you reckon Vixen will try to get out of "The fire is thought to have started in a diesel car before spreading rapidly"?

 

[Mojo]

Watt?

Watt?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Sure, if you cheat and introduce a lit rag.

https://zekebloggingadventures.com/how-to-burn-wet-brush-pile/

How much mileage do you reckon Vixen will try to get out of "The fire is thought to have started in a diesel car before spreading rapidly"?

It's meaningless even if the car was an EV the main Fuels are still hydrocarbon.

 

[zooterkin]

It's meaningless even if the car was an EV the main Fuels are still hydrocarbon.

 

[zooterkin]

Watt?

 

[Vixen]

What a curious fantasy. Do you like to imagine people feel threatened by conspiracist nonsense?

I was specifically referring to a couple of posters who claimed they felt a need to hurl abuse at any OP in this section.

 

[Vixen]

Always a self-aggrandizing story

In which way?

 

[Vixen]

And did they immediately tell drivers of that model to go to a mechanic and have it looked over? Did they have a recall within a couple of weeks, as you've suggested should happen here?

AIUI the model Opel Zafira had already been subject to recall in 2016.

 

[Vixen]

If the car was an EV, then this is a lie. Now, maybe the "at this stage" applies to the denial it's an EV, but even then if they had intelligence for that fact when this announcement was made, it's not diplomacy; it's just a lie.

Ah, but what if it's a hybrid? Then perhaps they are being disingenuous but not quite lying. To call a diesel hybrid "diesel powered" is very misleading.

But now let's suppose that the final report comes out and it explicitly says it was a normal diesel vehicle -- not an EV, nor a hybrid. Will you believe it?

If not, what the hell does it matter what the police say? You will believe them only if they confirm your suspicions. Hence, all this crap about whether they are being diplomatic and whether they stress the limitations of their knowledge now is really inconsequential. Either they end up explicitly agreeing with you in the end or you dismiss what they say as either a lie or "diplomacy"[1].

[1] Funny use of that word, honestly.

Why is it a lie? It may prejudice future legal claims or court proceedings to make a definitive statement at a stage when investigation has barely started. So of course you insert words like, 'it is believed' or 'at this stage, subject to verification'.

 

[Vixen]

I can Lite the diesel with anything that is 600c. The diesel reaches temperatures of around 2000C with the leaf Blower to Dry the brush and get the green brush to burn at 1000c.
Also the waisted a straw Bale, and a lot of Fuel I use about 1
Pint to one Quart of expensive diesel for pile. OXIDATION is dependent on wind speed.

OK, fair enough. One could get a diesel powered car to burn fiercely enough to melt concrete should one aim an intense flow of air to it. But what you have illustrated is just how difficult it is to get diesel fuel up to that temperature at all. Well, you can give it help as outlined by another postern to produce steam that'll raise the levels. Maybe in an open car park with air from two sides it is faintly possible, with flames rapidly spreading to all cars.

 

[Vixen]

It is lying if they say it was a diesel when it was in fact a hybrid or EV. They have said, definitively, that it was a diesel. Are they lying?

Fire Chief Officer Andrew Hopkinson in his one and only press statement in the matter said, "'We don't believe it was an electric vehicle. It's believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification."

Why you prefer to believe a secondhand statement that isn't even in his words indicates your lack of impartiality.

 

[Vixen]

Nice try on reversing the burden of proof here, but you posted the OP. YOU obviously believe there IS something to see here; everyone else is just showing skepticism that what you see is there.

You keep massaging the facts and doing a bait and switch on the questions put to you, but in the end, there's still no there there.

No, we're not threatened by your imagination, sorry.

Yes, it was a current affairs topic that interested me. Someone else thought the issue was closed and decided it was a conspiracy to discuss it further. A couple of other posters said they took it as an opportunity to hurl abuse at any OP in this section. As I have never had this urge, I can only surmise people feel threatened by opinions different from their own.

 

[Vixen]

It's meaningless even if the car was an EV the main Fuels are still hydrocarbon.

But in a lithium battery fire, the battery cells on fire oxygenate themselves which is why it is so hard to put it out as temperatures can accelerate to levels that are beyond the scope of the average fire brigade team.

 

[Andy_Ross]

OK, fair enough. One could get a diesel powered car to burn fiercely enough to melt concrete should one aim an intense flow of air to it. But what you have illustrated is just how difficult it is to get diesel fuel up to that temperature at all. Well, you can give it help as outlined by another postern to produce steam that'll raise the levels. Maybe in an open car park with air from two sides it is faintly possible, with flames rapidly spreading to all cars.

A fire in an open sided building will have a draught effect. It will burn more fiercely than a similar fire in the open.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

OK, fair enough. One could get a diesel powered car to burn fiercely enough to melt concrete should one aim an intense flow of air to it. But what you have illustrated is just how difficult it is to get diesel fuel up to that temperature at all. Well, you can give it help as outlined by another postern to produce steam that'll raise the levels. Maybe in an open car park with air from two sides it is faintly possible, with flames rapidly spreading to all cars.

No proof any Concrete Melted, where is the proof, maybe we should ban Rubber tires and Plastic as those contributed the most heat to the fires?

 

[Vixen]

Police have arrested a man in connection with the fire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67193165

But don't get your knickers in a twist:

Curiouser and curiouser. The plot thickens. STILL there is no official statement as to the make and model of the vehicle involved. Instead we have a man in his 30's arrested - but not yet charged (and this could take weeks, months or years) - 'as a precautionary measure' suspected of 'criminal damage', with a suspected 'fault in the vehicle'. The police hastily add that the fire is regarded as accidental and not deliberate.

We are laughing.


Ex5lYBXXMAMCZle by Username Vixen, on Flickr


I will tell you exactly what is going on here: Brand Reputation Damage Crisis Management. The government, acting on behalf of the tax-payer that just handed Tata, owners of the Jaguar Land Rover brand, £4bn of taxpayer money to build a giga lithium battery factory, are desperate to limit any reputational risk to the JLR/Tata brand. To do this, it has done the following:

• effectively pinned the blame onto the driver of the 'vehicle with a fault'.
• Effectively gagged the press from interviewing the presumed driver under the guise of 'subjudice' contempt of court laws.
• Delaying the public from knowing what caused the fire specifically.
• Hoping that the hapless driver, who likely made an honest, if negligent mistake in driving an already burning vehicle into the car park, will now be the scapegoat.
• Taken the heat off JLR/Tata and its possibly diesel hybrid vehicle that caused the fire.

That is my take. It is so obvious.

 

[Vixen]

No proof any Concrete Melted, where is the proof, maybe we should ban Rubber tires and Plastic as those contributed the most heat to the fires?

Nobody is talking about 'banning'. But wait and see. There will soon be new regulations about EV and HEV parking.


Let see who is right.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

But in a lithium battery fire, the battery cells on fire oxygenate themselves which is why it is so hard to put it out as temperatures can accelerate to levels that are beyond the scope of the average fire brigade team.

Many Metals burn Aluminum powder is worse than Lithium fire departments are trained to deal with them.
Containment is the way to fight a Lithium battery fire.